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re: Judge backs Houston hospitals decision to fire people without vaccine
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:12 am to thetempleowl
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:12 am to thetempleowl
I think an employer should have the right to fire anyone for whatever reason, so long as it doesn't violate established civil-rights provisions.
Methodist Hospital had a policy which required vaccination for healthcare staff. These employees were in direct insubordination to said policy, so yes the hospital had every right to fire them.
Methodist Hospital had a policy which required vaccination for healthcare staff. These employees were in direct insubordination to said policy, so yes the hospital had every right to fire them.
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Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:12 am to the808bass
I like the “mail in” vaccine idea. Just send me the vile and the card and I’ll “handle” it myself. If it’s good enough for the election of the leader of the free world it’s good enough for a simple vaccine.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:17 am to thetempleowl
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Judge backs Houston hospitals decision to fire people without vaccine
Time to go to the next court.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:20 am to NIH
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Lynn Hughes is a a Reagan appointee and about as anti-liberal as it gets.
So another fossil projecting his fear of the Rona onto healthy Americans who aren’t at risk of death. Ok.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:22 am to tarzana
Check out OSHA’s current stance on this issue. It will carry a good bit of weight in companies and organizations decision to require the vaccination. The Biden *administration is currently trying to get OHSA to reverse their stance. OSHA stance
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:29 am to thetempleowl
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While some would say that this is not making the vaccine mandatory, just a requirement for employment, a better argument would be government statement versus private business. And government shouldn't be able to tell businesses how to act, except we know that's not how liberals act.
There are 17 states that require hospitals to offer a flu shot to their workers. But most of those you can refuse without exemption or for religious beliefs.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:29 am to STEVED00
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The media has people thinking this is the bubonic plague (it’s not!). If you are in generally good health and under 80 then you have really nothing out of the ordinary to be concerned about.
Not really true.
If you are between 50 and 59, you have around a 1 percent of dying and it goes up after that.
Below 50 is low, below 20 is almost unheard of dying.
Over 80 and you have a significant risk of dying.
Look, I worked throughout the pandemic and was against the lockdowns. However it's not like this thing isn't real.
Republicans have a much closer to reality understanding of mortality than liberals. Liberals overestimate the risk of the virus dramatically.
Sorry guys. I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory at this time. I agree with you there.
But because I recognize the benefits of the vaccine make me hated on this board.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:30 am to STEVED00
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Decisions by hospitals like this backup the bubonic plague description the media put out.
Living in BHAM, it’s been sad to see what UAB has done to drum up the fear on this bullshite. They are incessant in their fear mongering.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:31 am to thetempleowl
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But because I recognize the benefits of the vaccine make me hated on this board.
Most people do. But they shouldn't be forced.
The problem with democrats is they are dangling it in exchange for your freedom. That's a huge mistake. People will push back even more.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:35 am to TOSOV
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Why is it foolish?
Bring successful at life is just a series of risk vs reward decisions.
Making good decisions has a very positive impact of you can consistently make them.
The benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in most cases unless you are a child.
Most people are very bad at assessing risk/ reward. This is a known problem. This is just another example of this issue.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:38 am to thetempleowl
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I will also say I think it is foolish for most people outside of children to refuse them,
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These vaccines are not fully approved by the fda.
I'm not sure how these two statements correlate to make you come to the conclusion of foolishness.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:42 am to thetempleowl
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Most people are very bad at assessing risk/ reward.
Like worrying over a virus with a 99.7% survival rate?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:45 am to tduecen
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Eventually they will have a nurse shortage and have to hire these same people back
It was a tiny percentage. Like 170 people in the large system.
Interesting to note...
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Monday, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas signed a law prohibiting businesses or government entities in the state from requiring vaccine passports, or digital proof of vaccination, joining states such as Florida and Arkansas. It’s unclear how or if the new law will affect employer mandates like Houston Methodist’s.
One would think the hospital is accredited through state and federal mandates. The state could find these businesses out of compliance.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:48 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:Logic and reason have been non-existent, with policy, for a very long time now. Case in point, I just got back from Aruba. I had to prove that I didn't have COVID by taking a molecular PCR test not more than 72 hours before departing. Antigen tests were not accepted. Jumped thru all the hoops just to go there. Then, we had to wear a mask in any enclosed area. If I prove I don't have it, and so does everyone else there, why is a mask needed.
Living in BHAM, it’s been sad to see what UAB has done to drum up the fear on this bullshite. They are incessant in their fear mongering.
When we went to go back home, I had to take another test to proved I didn't have it. 5 days, two covid tests.
Someone is getting very rich on all these tests.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:56 am to thetempleowl
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The benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in most cases unless you are a child.
Long term side effects are unknown. The FDA has only granted emergency use authorization. Could you list exactly what the “benefits and risks” are with this vaccine? You can’t. No one in the medical field can because the data indicating positive or negative results currently doesn’t exist.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:57 am to Bamadog75
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You say it's foolish not to get it if your and adult. Then say it's not FDA approved. That makes you a test subject for a virus with a 99.7 survival rate.
Depends upon your age there.
If your age is over 40 to 45, it is close to that. If your age is over 50 your risk is higher than that. If you're over 65, it is well over.
So let's say your risk for death is low because you are young. Let's say your risk for dying is 1 in a thousand or one in five thousand.
What is your risk for death from the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine?
1 in 5 million? That weighs 1000 times in favor of getting the vaccine.
Jesus people are so crazy about these things. I went out before there was a vaccine. But I knew the risks and modified behavior.
I did not isolate. I did not do things.
But I also realized that being the vaccine benefited me. So I got the vaccine.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:13 am to thetempleowl
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While I don't consider this dangerous
You don’t think making a mandatory vaccine a condition of your employment isn’t dangerous?
What about when they demand you have gender reassignment surgery? Many of your types are single issue people and don’t see the bigger picture….nor implications.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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I thought we didn’t support judicial activism from the bench?
lulz
Forcing someone to take an unapproved vaccine in order to continue employment (because that language sure as hell wasn't in their original contract) isn't judicial activism. Stupid you strikes again
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:14 am to Bamadog75
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Wrong , I know two people who I work with who got it and with in two weeks both got covid. Never had if before the vaccine but both got it after. One was my boss who I begged not to get it. He is so brainwashed that he said "you know the doctors said if I hadn't got the vaccine It would been worse on me than it was " I really think people are just stupid as hell now days.
Speak loudly brother! You tell them.
I mean the doctors told him. I mean what do they know. I mean they only went to school college for 4 years, medical school for 4 years, did a residency of between 3-5 years and may have done an extra one or 2 year fellowship to know this stuff.
Next time I get sick, I'm coming to you.
Look, the fact is there evidence that says just this. After one dose of the vaccine, you have a pretty good amound of protection. two weeks after the second dose, you have a lot more.
And the j and j one is mediocre. I'm not counting that.
The fact is there is tons of evidence that getting the vaccine and then being exposed, even if you get it, markedly reduces severity.
And I hesitate to say science, because that word doesn't mean anything what it used to mean. But that is the way it is.
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I really think people are just stupid as hell now days.
Yeah. I agree with you there.
People listen to some idiot on the internet saying all sorts of stupid things. Its like someone believing the financial advice from a crack fiend over that of a successful financial management firm.
I mean the crack fiend might be correct once a year. But if you always listen to his advice, you will end up a crack fiend as well.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:16 am to Roger Klarvin
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I don’t understand why you find this head scratching, it’s the correct ruling. I thought we didn’t support judicial activism from the bench?
ok, I do not support judicial activism.
So explain why this isn't. I posted this for a number of reasons and finding out why this is a good decision was one of them.
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