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re: Question for vax refusniks
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:22 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:22 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Which part is false?
The rushed part. Do you know how the process for full authorization works? You need six months of data and a certain amazing of participants for drugs/vaccines to be approved. We have 9 months of data and over a billion people who have taken this. Again, your choice to take it and your choice to consider it rushed but by FDA standards, it is not rushed.
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Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:22 am to ClosingTime
no. And I'm not anti-vax. I consider myself low-risk and choose to wait until the vaccines and potential long term side affects are better understood. come at me lib.
Unlike democrats, I think you will find much less slavish devotion to political leaders among republicans.
Unlike democrats, I think you will find much less slavish devotion to political leaders among republicans.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:22 am to PentagonTiger
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I agree with this. I don't agree with conspiracy theorists perpetuating lies about the vaccine as justification for them not getting it. It should be your choice but don't try to justify being anti-vax with bullshite reasoning. If you don't want it, that's fine but don't cite some bullshite past on fb or a partisan website as why you won't.
This is reasonable.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:26 am to ClosingTime
I do not make my decisions off of Politicians, athletes, celebrities. The reasons I am not taking the vaccine:
I am youngish (40) and healthy (BMI ~ 24)
Already had COVID in Feb 2020 with minimal symptoms
Still have antibodies as of Dec 2020 - have yet to see the advantage of the vaccine over having natural antibodies
Not FDA approved
Have concerns about any medication when the manufacturer is absolved from liability
Know too many front line workers (Drs & ICU nurses) that saw first hand what COVID does and still refuse the vaccines after they reviewed the studies
I am youngish (40) and healthy (BMI ~ 24)
Already had COVID in Feb 2020 with minimal symptoms
Still have antibodies as of Dec 2020 - have yet to see the advantage of the vaccine over having natural antibodies
Not FDA approved
Have concerns about any medication when the manufacturer is absolved from liability
Know too many front line workers (Drs & ICU nurses) that saw first hand what COVID does and still refuse the vaccines after they reviewed the studies
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:28 am to nes2010
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I have wondered about it the other way too. Would so many liberals be excited to take a vaccine that was rushed through by the Trump admin if he was still around
They sure as shite wouldn't. Kamala herself said she would never take a vaccine made under Trump. I think Hillary said something similar. I saw plenty of people on CNN say they'd never take a rushed vaccine.
Now suddenly all of these very same people are yelling at everyone to take the vaccine. And they have the gall to say only red voters are politicizing it.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:30 am to ClosingTime
Doesn't matter who won. If the government is involved in any way, I will not be participating. They always have their agenda
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:30 am to AUstar
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And they have the gall to say only red voters are politicizing it.
It’s definitely both sides politicizing it. It should be individual choice based off of talking to your primary care doctor or another trained professional.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:35 am to BigJim
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Because someone's vitamin regime does not have an effect on the health of the people around them and the greater community.
Do you stupid fricking leftists understand what a vaccine is? It's not for other people, it's so you are protected from the virus.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:36 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
Or does it go deeper than that?
I think a better question is why did you get an experimental drug for a non-lethal cold like virus; and why are you pushing for "vaccinations" in multiple threads?
Are you Old, Fat, Have some sort of immune disease? Or does it go deeper than that?
"Vaccine" 1. Doesn't stop you from getting it, 2. Doesn't stop you from spreading it. Both of those FACTS beg he question, why put an experimental DNA altering drug in your body?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:37 am to Dandy Chiggins
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DNA altering drug
How is it dna altering? Please explain.
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They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way. mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept. The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:38 am to PentagonTiger
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Link? I have only heard of a single death attributed to JJ and zero deaths attributed to Phizer or Moderna. So you know of 2,999 deaths that I’m unaware of. FDA in their audit of the vaccines only attribute a single death to the vaccines (that JJ death). Do you have anything proving otherwise?
I am not following the deaths, side effects, tied to the vaccine because I am not planning to take the vaccine in the near future. But, I do have 1 simple question. Why is it that anyone who dies "with" COVID is listed as a COVID death; yet, they don't listed everyone that died from any sort of medical situation that had the vaccine as a vaccine death?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:44 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
You do know a huge group of people who refuse to get the Vax voted for Biden, right?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:47 am to PentagonTiger
Look and Learn before criticizing others.
3,722 people have died after taking the Covid shot. Just after the two minute mark, he goes over the actual numbers, if you prefer to skip ahead.
3,722 people have died after taking the Covid shot. Just after the two minute mark, he goes over the actual numbers, if you prefer to skip ahead.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:48 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Why is it that anyone who dies "with" COVID is listed as a COVID death; yet, they don't listed everyone that died from any sort of medical situation that had the vaccine as a vaccine death?
So for the first part, my sister is an icu nurse who has worked with Covid patients. She said that when someone tests positive for Covid they now know it’s side effects and how people’s body react to Covid. Cardiac arrest caused by the blood clotting when you get the virus, pneumonia, etc. are all triggered by the virus. It’s the same thing with the flu per se, no one does from the flu but rather it’s side effects. Same with Covid. No one does from a car crash but rather it’s side effects. Now for the Covid vaccine, the mRNA vaccine produces natural proteins that don’t effect the body more than any other protein that enters our body. See above link by cdc. The JJ is viral vector so there is possible blood clotting with that one.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:49 am to 1BIGTigerFan
Dude, you trust Tucker over the fda authorities who are trained in immunology and have determined the cause of death?
I can die tomorrow after taking the flu shot but doesn’t mean it killed me.
I was literally talking about not posting bs partisan sources that have no merit. Then your big goychya is to post a partisan source.
I can die tomorrow after taking the flu shot but doesn’t mean it killed me.
I was literally talking about not posting bs partisan sources that have no merit. Then your big goychya is to post a partisan source.
This post was edited on 5/6/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/6/21 at 9:58 am to PentagonTiger
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It’s definitely both sides politicizing it. It should be individual choice based off of talking to your primary care doctor or another trained professional
I'm with you. I made the personal choice to take the vaccine. Should get my 2nd dose in a week.
I read the actual peer reviewed papers Moderna and Pfizer published in NEJM. Both convinced me the vaccine works. No doubt about it.
I also watched several of Paul Offit's interviews. He is one of the top immunology experts in America and sits on the FDA board (he gets a vote to approve). Early last year he was highly skeptical that a vaccine would be finished this fast. He told people he would be very hesitant to vote to approve unless the data were strong. He later said what they achieved is one of the greatest triumphs in vaccine history. He said the mRNA researchers should win the Nobel prize in medicine for it.
Offit does a good job debunking the nonsense floating around about vaccines, especially the mRNA "gene therapy" claims. This dude has forgotten more about immunology than any Facebook hero will ever know.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:00 am to ClosingTime
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If the election had not been stolen and Trump was in the White House and actively pushing vaccines, would you be more likely to get one?
No. I'm a Trump supporter, but I not a cultish follower like a leftist.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:00 am to PentagonTiger
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you trust Tucker over the fda authorities
1. Yes
2. He's using the actual government numbers. Trust who you want, but anyone pressuring people to take a "vaccine" for a virus that has a 99% survival rate for anyone under 70, must be questioned for why they're pushing so hard?
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:03 am to PentagonTiger
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So for the first part, my sister is an icu nurse who has worked with Covid patients. She said that when someone tests positive for Covid they now know it’s side effects and how people’s body react to Covid. Cardiac arrest caused by the blood clotting when you get the virus, pneumonia, etc. are all triggered by the virus. It’s the same thing with the flu per se, no one does from the flu but rather it’s side effects. Same with Covid. No one does from a car crash but rather it’s side effects. Now for the Covid vaccine, the mRNA vaccine produces natural proteins that don’t effect the body more than any other protein that enters our body. See above link by cdc. The JJ is viral vector so there is possible blood clotting with that one.
Thanks for the explanation.
Posted on 5/6/21 at 10:10 am to PentagonTiger
Thanks for the CDC link.
"Tal Zaks, chief medical officer of Moderna, Inc., one pharmaceutical company manufacturer of the experimental mRNA technology injection, confirms mRNA injection for COVID-19 can change your genetic code or DNA."
The study Zaks is referencing can be read here.
Here's the truth, you or I have no clue what the vaccine can do or its long-term effects. All we know is what Google and mass media tell us about a rushed to market product that Publix clerks are mass injecting into people as fast as they can. If that seams reasonable to you keep on keeping on. Based on the research I've read (not on page 1 of a Google search) I think it certainly COULD alter DNA.
If you don't believe it can alter DNA based on Google scrubbed results and CDC websites then you're certainly entitled to that opinion. You went and got it. Congratulations.
I do find it funny that DNA was the only thing in my post you found to argue about. Not that the vaccine doesn't keep us from getting or spreading it. Which begs the question...
Why are Big Brother and Mass Media pushing so hard? I have more questions than answers. So at this point: I'll take a hard pass. We can agree to disagree.
"Tal Zaks, chief medical officer of Moderna, Inc., one pharmaceutical company manufacturer of the experimental mRNA technology injection, confirms mRNA injection for COVID-19 can change your genetic code or DNA."
The study Zaks is referencing can be read here.
Here's the truth, you or I have no clue what the vaccine can do or its long-term effects. All we know is what Google and mass media tell us about a rushed to market product that Publix clerks are mass injecting into people as fast as they can. If that seams reasonable to you keep on keeping on. Based on the research I've read (not on page 1 of a Google search) I think it certainly COULD alter DNA.
If you don't believe it can alter DNA based on Google scrubbed results and CDC websites then you're certainly entitled to that opinion. You went and got it. Congratulations.
I do find it funny that DNA was the only thing in my post you found to argue about. Not that the vaccine doesn't keep us from getting or spreading it. Which begs the question...
Why are Big Brother and Mass Media pushing so hard? I have more questions than answers. So at this point: I'll take a hard pass. We can agree to disagree.
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