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re: Snapchat being sued for death of 3 teenagers
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:34 am to SouthMSReb
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:34 am to SouthMSReb
Better luck suing Darwin's estate...
resistance to social media bullshite is the mutation that gives our offspring the advantage.
Another shift in the meaning of "fittest"
resistance to social media bullshite is the mutation that gives our offspring the advantage.
Another shift in the meaning of "fittest"
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Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:35 am to Sneaky__Sally
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While I do believe in personal responsibility, tech companies like snap chat spend billions of dollars figuring out how to make their algorithms capture as much attention as possible.
So while this certainly doesn't seem like a winner, I am all for lawsuits like this being brought so that we can hopefully start delving in to how the algorithms are developed and with what intent.
It has been pretty minimal thus far in terms of people challenging the underlying social media algorithms and the role they play in influencing certain negative incidents, only way to change is for more and more lawsuits to be brought.
I agree that people should have the right to take big tech to court, not arguing against that.
But why is it their fault that attention seekers will do stupid arse shite just for "clout"? Because the "clout" is on their platform? People aren't forced to use the app.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:36 am to Sneaky__Sally
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It has been pretty minimal thus far in terms of people challenging the underlying social media algorithms and the role they play in influencing certain negative incidents, only way to change is for more and more lawsuits to be brought.
Seriously? How about not using the app? You start out talking about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and then completely shite on the concept.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:36 am to Sneaky__Sally
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start delving in to how the algorithms are developed and with what intent.
quote:pretty clear you don't know what an algorithm is.
underlying social media algorithms and the role they play in influencing certain negative incidents
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:37 am to SouthMSReb
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How is snapchat responsible for this in any manner?
The same way Chauvin was responsible for Floyd's death
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:38 am to SouthMSReb
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Literally the same thing as a speedometer.
It's, quite literally, not the same thing at all.
You don't think having something like that on a social media app may encourage idiot kids to push limits and boundaries? I sure as hell do.
Now, do I think SC should be held accountable? No. But it seems like adding a feature like that to your SM app is begging for possible litigation when situations like these happen. So while I don't think they should be held responsible, I won't be upset if they are held somewhat liable in a court of law.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:40 am to SouthMSReb
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:40 am to DCtiger1
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The frick kind of clown analogy is this?
The kind of response for a stupid arse question like "why did they make something new if it already exists?"
What is the functionality of the filter? To measure speed? Then its a speedometer.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:43 am to SouthMSReb
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What is the functionality of the filter? To measure speed? Then its a speedometer.
A speedometer is to inform the driver of the speed of his vehicle.
This Snapchat filter is to inform the user (and, in turn, all of their followers/friends) of the speed. Yes, it measures speed "just like a speedometer," but you are purposefully ignoring the social media aspect of it. And that's the most important part.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:49 am to CocomoLSU
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A speedometer is to inform the driver of the speed of his vehicle.
Do you think any driver has ever used his speedometer to see what speed they can get up to? Almost like encouraging them to reach new high speeds?
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This Snapchat filter is to inform the user (and, in turn, all of their followers/friends) of the speed. Yes, it measures speed "just like a speedometer," but you are purposefully ignoring the social media aspect of it. And that's the most important part.
Again, what if a kid is showing off how fast he can run? Is that encouraging "dangerous behavior"? Just because the app has the functionality to measure speed doesn't mean they're encouraging people to do stupid things. "Speed" in itself, or the ability to measure speed, is not a bad thing.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:50 am to SouthMSReb
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People aren't forced to use the app.
I think that is the issue - while they aren't forced to, I don't think it is right for a tech company to spend billions of dollars creating algorithms that wire young people brains to be constantly clicking, constantly trying to get higher "likes" or whatever the reward mechanism is, and then just say "not our fault".
I just think we need to look harder at how the algorithms are developed. There is "pollution" so to speak with this new technology in a wide variety of ways that most people are aware of by now - particularly as it relates to depression and how people interact. While it is the primary responsibility of parents and users to make sure they are not being impacted, I think that we also need some oversight and research to understand what exactly these apps and content generation algorithms are being designed to achieve, the various negative consequences they can generate, and some rules as to what is and is not allowable for the good of the population.
All in all, while I believer in personal responsibility, only a win in court in a related situation may start getting the tech companies to change they way the operate and design some of the social media and tech products they are putting out there.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:52 am to SouthMSReb
Same argument as shooting victims wanting to sue gun manufacturers.
Stupid. They may as well sue the car manufacturer too.
Stupid. They may as well sue the car manufacturer too.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:52 am to arcalades
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pretty clear you don't know what an algorithm is.
I am well aware of what it is, in this case I am referring to a set of instructions that an app follows to select content to put in front of a user.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:54 am to SG_Geaux
quote:I agree, this seems a little bit silly. My 12 yo has a phone and the desire to have snapchat, tik tok and the like is a persistent request. Hell, my 9 year old thinks if he gets a youtube channel we can all retire and live off his millions. The desire for internet fame is something I cant fathom.
Seems like having a feature that specifically encourages dangerous driving is probably not the smartest thing to have in an app like that.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:55 am to jbgleason
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Seriously? How about not using the app? You start out talking about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and then completely shite on the concept.
Because that isn't how things work. We have regulations on consumption and production on a plethora of products.
We need both regulation on production of the tech / social media products as well as regulation on consumption by a person and their parents.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 9:58 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I think that is the issue - while they aren't forced to, I don't think it is right for a tech company to spend billions of dollars creating algorithms that wire young people brains to be constantly clicking, constantly trying to get higher "likes" or whatever the reward mechanism is, and then just say "not our fault".
I just think we need to look harder at how the algorithms are developed. There is "pollution" so to speak with this new technology in a wide variety of ways that most people are aware of by now - particularly as it relates to depression and how people interact. While it is the primary responsibility of parents and users to make sure they are not being impacted, I think that we also need some oversight and research to understand what exactly these apps and content generation algorithms are being designed to achieve, the various negative consequences they can generate, and some rules as to what is and is not allowable for the good of the population.
All in all, while I believer in personal responsibility, only a win in court in a related situation may start getting the tech companies to change they way the operate and design some of the social media and tech products they are putting out there.
I do understand what you're saying. And I agree with you on a lot of your points, but haven't people always been chasing popularity? I think people have always been wired to get "higher likes" even before social media. I believe the end point of this conversation will come down to, why do people crave popularity and attention and, what extremes will they go to?
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:02 am to SouthMSReb
That is definitely true, I just want to try and limit some of the ability of the Trillion Dollar tech company and have some rules they follow so that they won't exacerbate that trait and so we won't have to deal with some of the negative impacts as a population. Even if you and most people you know aren't heavily impacted, large portions of the country will be and their actions could still negatively impact you.
Again, I don't really see this case as a winner, but I do like seeing these cases come up as the more that people look at it, the more we will understand. At least people are starting to understand a lot of the negative consequences in recent years, it is a start.
Again, I don't really see this case as a winner, but I do like seeing these cases come up as the more that people look at it, the more we will understand. At least people are starting to understand a lot of the negative consequences in recent years, it is a start.
This post was edited on 5/5/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:02 am to SouthMSReb
Just doing some research on this Snapchat filer. Apparently this isnt the first time something like this has happened. There's multiple stories of teens crashing while using this filter available on Youtube. I don't think Snapchat is responsible for people speeding and crashing. You cant control people from making dumb decisions. After all, on the filter it does give the disclaimer to not use phone while driving.
But at the same time, I think it's a pretty dumb feature that really serves no purpose. It encourages the users to show how fast you're going to your friends. Teens love to speed, and teenagers love to do things for attention. That doesnt mean it needs to be incentivized though.
Fatal crash from teens driving over 100 while using snapchat
I'm lucky to be alive
But at the same time, I think it's a pretty dumb feature that really serves no purpose. It encourages the users to show how fast you're going to your friends. Teens love to speed, and teenagers love to do things for attention. That doesnt mean it needs to be incentivized though.
Fatal crash from teens driving over 100 while using snapchat
I'm lucky to be alive
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:06 am to SouthMSReb
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Again, what if a kid is showing off how fast he can run? Is that encouraging "dangerous behavior"
This is a terrible terrible analogy. How many people have died each year from running really fast. Now how many people have died from driving really fast.
There's practically no risk from sprinting. There is, however, a whole lot of risk from speeding.
Posted on 5/5/21 at 10:06 am to SouthMSReb
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Literally the same thing as a speedometer.
Juju Smith Schuster trolled everyone by setting his speedometer to kph instead of mph and recording himself doing 100+.
You could tell he wasn't really going that fast fron the cars he passed.
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