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re: Should Police Stop So Many "Routine" traffic stops?
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:57 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:57 pm to The Pirate King
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Sounds like your issue is with the laws more than the officers. Try contacting your local and state lawmakers.
There’s some validity to this statement. It also underlined the argument that police will do whatever the frick the government tells them to. That’s why one of them was knocking on my neighbors door a couple weeks back threatening them with a ticket if they didn’t move their car out of their driveway because it was in line with the sidewalk.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:58 pm to CU_Tigers4life
that has nothing to do with the current case.....
but...
only time someone should be pulled over is if they are a danger to others. Everything else like getting a ticket for 5 mph over is nothing but a fricking tax.
headlights are one thing and need to be fixed, but just send them a ticket in the mail. Too dark of tint??/ why the frick is that against the law in the first place.
The biggest problem we have are too many fricking laws and police having quotas to fund a fraudulant system. Police forces are to protect and to serve, not ticket and tax.
with all that being said, frick that kid. He ran from the police, jumped back in his car while having an active warrant for a weapon, known gang member etc. I sincerly wisht he female cop would have kept her mouth shut and would not be charged.
In general I am a cop hater as I see them as the enforcement arm of the governement. But very very very few of the cases happen compared to overall number of stops. And even frickign fewer, like less than .01% happen to good citizens.
When was the last time you saw a cop yank a normal citizen out the car who is doing what he is told? The army LT doesnt count, for as much of a dick head that cop was, he was not obeying orders. This kind of shite doesnt happen to normal everday working middle class citizen. It just doesnt.
If you get pulled over, treat the cop with respect and follow what he says then you will have a good expierence. If you have active warrents and try to run...you will not have a good expierence.
And for the love of god, will people please teach your kids you fight the cops in the court room not on the side of the road. The side of the road is their turf and they will kill your arse.
but...
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I would rather have more cops policing the neighborhoods and not fricking with people on the highways unless they are driving reckless or obviously impaired.
only time someone should be pulled over is if they are a danger to others. Everything else like getting a ticket for 5 mph over is nothing but a fricking tax.
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The people that have too dark of tint or headlights broken should be ticketed in a parking lot or something.
headlights are one thing and need to be fixed, but just send them a ticket in the mail. Too dark of tint??/ why the frick is that against the law in the first place.
The biggest problem we have are too many fricking laws and police having quotas to fund a fraudulant system. Police forces are to protect and to serve, not ticket and tax.
with all that being said, frick that kid. He ran from the police, jumped back in his car while having an active warrant for a weapon, known gang member etc. I sincerly wisht he female cop would have kept her mouth shut and would not be charged.
In general I am a cop hater as I see them as the enforcement arm of the governement. But very very very few of the cases happen compared to overall number of stops. And even frickign fewer, like less than .01% happen to good citizens.
When was the last time you saw a cop yank a normal citizen out the car who is doing what he is told? The army LT doesnt count, for as much of a dick head that cop was, he was not obeying orders. This kind of shite doesnt happen to normal everday working middle class citizen. It just doesnt.
If you get pulled over, treat the cop with respect and follow what he says then you will have a good expierence. If you have active warrents and try to run...you will not have a good expierence.
And for the love of god, will people please teach your kids you fight the cops in the court room not on the side of the road. The side of the road is their turf and they will kill your arse.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:58 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Could this maybe be part of the problem, though? I policed in two cities larger than STL and the only time we sent theft calls to the blotter is if it was a "this thing is missing and I last saw it 90 days ago" sort of thing. Not trying to argue, but not every city is run like STL. These things do happen across a spectrum
No major police departments investigate property crimes to any real extent. They have no incentive to do so.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:58 pm to CU_Tigers4life
Well, the state legislatures are the ones who write the laws, so take it up with them. The police are just enforcing the laws.
I think what the left wants if for the police to let blacks slide on all traffic laws so as to not lead to confrontation. So me, as a white guy better have my shite in order. Pay for my registration every couple of years, my inspection sticker, my insurance, not have my windows tinted, and obey all traffic laws. But we’re gonna let Daunte slide because he’s afraid of the police and might resist arrest?
This is all bullshite. Blacks need to grow the frick up and quit making excuses for shitty behavior and take responsibility for their actions and quit blaming everything on racism.
I think what the left wants if for the police to let blacks slide on all traffic laws so as to not lead to confrontation. So me, as a white guy better have my shite in order. Pay for my registration every couple of years, my inspection sticker, my insurance, not have my windows tinted, and obey all traffic laws. But we’re gonna let Daunte slide because he’s afraid of the police and might resist arrest?
This is all bullshite. Blacks need to grow the frick up and quit making excuses for shitty behavior and take responsibility for their actions and quit blaming everything on racism.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:58 pm to The Pirate King
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The officers are enforcing the laws on the books.
Anyone who's ridden behind a cop for two miles and also been pulled over knows cops are more interested in their authority than the laws on the books. They are generally more than willing to take liberties when it suits them.
Finding a by the book cop is like finding a virgin stripper. It's possible there's one out there in theory.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:58 pm to the808bass
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Hell, they barely investigate car theft here in St. Louis.
I have a friend in Orleans Parish who had his car stolen from his driveway. He called the cops and waited for them to show up. They called 2 days later and asked him if he still wanted to report it. For insurance purposes he had to report it -- and they knew that.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 2:59 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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First, let me be clear...I want a shitload of cops. But I will say that some of the traffic stops are more of a fishing trip to stumble across something bigger.
Also, I'm a little raw because I recently got a speeding ticket in an old fashioned speed trap and as a white middle aged fellow I'm screwed.
I would rather have more cops policing the neighborhoods and not fricking with people on the highways unless they are driving reckless or obviously impaired.
The people that have too dark of tint or headlights broken should be ticketed in a parking lot or something
So you are admitting you are ticked because you got a highway speeding ticket. What makes you think most proactive stops aren't in neighborhoods, especially high crime areas? Just because you see a few highway cops or state police on the interstate (their specific job and there really aren't many of them) you assume beat cops are getting wanted people, drugs, and guns off the streets in neighborhoods? Tons of crimes that just happened, were about to happen or were happening have been snuffed out by these traffic stops. But keep on with your shortsighted view.
And in the big picture, broken headlights and tint are like less than one percent of the tickets written or reasons why someone is pulled over. Now there is a positive correlation between hoodrats and white trash not obeying traffic laws or keeping up their cars up and criminal activity but that is probably too much for you to process.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:00 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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People at the time were suggesting the cops should not have gotten involved, should have called him a cab, etc. Forgetting the part that he had driven to the Wendy's drunk out of his gourd and passed out there. Hell...I even contacted MADD to see if they were going to weigh in on all the activists suggesting such stupid crap, and I got ZERO response from them.
And those are all stupid arguments. I don’t have a problem with the Rashard Brooks shooting. I don’t really have a problem with the Daunte Wright shooting. It looks like it was a horrible accident and the officer is facing legal jeopardy. But accidents happen and it doesn’t make sense in the grand scheme of things to focus on criminalizing mistakes.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:01 pm to The Melt
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Tons of crimes that just happened, were about to happen or were happening have been snuffed out by these traffic stops.
This is the mythology.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:01 pm to CU_Tigers4life
You realize that before Karen was on her BLM kick, she wanted people slowing dow in front of her house.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:02 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:Can you share with me your background on this? Because as a guy who worked for two large metros I can tell you that this isn't completely accurate.
No major police departments investigate property crimes to any real extent. They have no incentive to do so.
I again point to other circumstances, funding, staffing, call volume, etc. Not all departments operate identically.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:02 pm to CU_Tigers4life
I'm not in favor of having to run a gauntlet of random stops and checks.
But if there are two choices: comply with LEO or resist LEO, logic dictates that the probabilities for success plainly lie with compliance.
I guess if one lacks the ability to exercise logic, the all bets are off...
But if there are two choices: comply with LEO or resist LEO, logic dictates that the probabilities for success plainly lie with compliance.
I guess if one lacks the ability to exercise logic, the all bets are off...
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:02 pm to squid_hunt
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Anyone who's ridden behind a cop for two miles and also been pulled over knows cops are more interested in their authority than the laws on the books. They are generally more than willing to take liberties when it suits them.
Finding a by the book cop is like finding a virgin stripper. It's possible there's one out there in theory.
That's like, your opinion man.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:03 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
I was speaking a little broadly. I live in a suburb of St. Louis, not St. Louis City. It’s around 50k in pop and our crime rate is low. The police don’t care about stolen cars. We’ve had four stolen from our subdivision in the last year and the police is interested hardly at all. There’s not a house in the subdivision that would sell for under $350k.
If I lived in the city, I would agree with you.
If I lived in the city, I would agree with you.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:05 pm to The Melt
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And in the big picture, broken headlights and tint are like less than one percent of the tickets written or reasons why someone is pulled over. Now there is a positive correlation between hoodrats and white trash not obeying traffic laws or keeping up their cars up and criminal activity but that is probably too much for you to process.
You’re speaking very broadly. There are entire towns in Missouri that run their budgets off of tickets and code citations.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:06 pm to dstone12
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You realize that before Karen was on her BLM kick, she wanted people slowing dow in front of her house.
That reminded me of the old Richard Pryor wino skit. When someone is driving down is street, the wino yells...
"HEY, FOOL! YOU BETTER SLOW THAT CAR DOWN! DON'T COME DRIVING DOWN THROUGH HERE LIKE YOU CRAZY! THIS A NEIGHBOURHOOD - THIS AIN'T NO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT! You could have killed that sign."
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:07 pm to The Melt
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That's like, your opinion man.
Totally, dude. Obviously, I'm not the only one with this opinion.
We all know how cops are. We all see them speeding through areas one day and pulling people over the next. We all see them flashing their lights to get through a red light when it suits them. We all get the joy of "Officer Safety" demanding respect while talking down to the citizens. We all know the likelihood of the crying girl in the short skirt getting off with a warning.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:07 pm to The Pirate King
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The officers are enforcing the laws on the books.
Very selectively
As he mentioned minor property crimes aren't even followed up on
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:09 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Can you share with me your background on this? Because as a guy who worked for two large metros I can tell you that this isn't completely accurate.
So you admit to being biased? I’m a law abiding citizen of 48 years who has experienced theft 3 separate times, in 3 separate cities, all of which told me when I filed the report “no one is going to actively investigate this”.
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I again point to other circumstances, funding, staffing, call volume, etc. Not all departments operate identically.
They don’t and perhaps the two you worked in weren’t incentivized by seizure laws to prioritize drug raids or stops over property crimes, perhaps they weren’t semi self funding via traffic ticket revenue..but many are.
Like all humans, those that run law enforcement departments do what benefits them the most..and it isn’t finding out who stole miss smiths car..it’s busting some guy for weed during a traffic stop and seizing his car to sell at the sheriffs auction.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 3:09 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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ot a speeding ticket in an old fashioned speed trap and as a white middle aged fellow I'm screwed.
Are we being a little dramatic today? You pay it and move on, it has zero bearing other than a pocket inconvenience for a period of time. Don't eat out a few times and the difference is made up.
Also, if you have a nice drive and don't see an a-hole that should be pulled over immediately for endangering people on the highway then you got lucky.
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