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Business Board: Would Requiring The Vaccine Be a Good Way to Downsize a Company?

Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:00 pm
Depending on the size of the organization, if an organization wanted to avoid Federal laws regarding downsizing, the potential of paying out severance, or looking like the company wasn't doing well...would requiring the vaccine be a good way to "lose" people?

I wonder if there's any early data out there on companies that are requiring it, and what the rate is of employees that have complied.
Posted by loopback
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:05 pm to
Not unless you want all your intelligent, self-driven, autonomous people to leave the company.
Posted by CourtJesster
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:14 pm to
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Not unless you want all your intelligent, self-driven, autonomous people to leave the company.


Works well for social media companies.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:15 pm to
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Not unless you want all your intelligent, self-driven, autonomous people to leave the company.



The implication here is that anyone getting the vaccine can't have those qualities?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:16 pm to
No as the vast majority of people either have gotten it or will get it, especially if their paycheck is dependent on it.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:17 pm to
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if an organization wanted to avoid Federal laws regarding downsizing, the potential of paying out severance, or looking like the company wasn't doing well...would requiring the vaccine be a good way to "lose" people?


Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:18 pm to
No. Typically, when downsizing you want to pick & chose which employees to let go. It may not be on an individual level, it could be a department and/or manager level decision. If you chose something like vaccines to make that decision, then the employee essentially gets to choose if they are going to be downsized.

With that said, if a company wants to do that now, they can just blame COVID and start making those cuts now. No one would give it a second thought, outside of obvious discrimination (all terminations are older people, or a certain race). If questioned, they could say it's because of the economy, loss revenue, based on projections, the need to be able to have employees working 6' apart...
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:27 pm to
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Business Board: Would Requiring The Vaccine Be a Good Way to Downsize a Company?



You'll end up with exactly the wrong employees.
Posted by loopback
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:27 pm to
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The implication here is that anyone getting the vaccine can't have those qualities?


Sounds like that's YOUR implication.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:28 pm to
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Sounds like that's YOUR implication.


Walk me through how you got there.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:28 pm to
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You'll end up with exactly the wrong employees.


Yeah...but, would you really?
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:28 pm to
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Business Board: Would Requiring The Vaccine Be a Good Way to Downsize a Company?


Even better. Layoff the bottom producers.
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:29 pm to
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The implication here is that anyone getting the vaccine can't have those qualities?




Yes
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:29 pm to
Tell Chicken TD doesn’t need to lose more hamsters
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:29 pm to
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The implication here is that anyone getting the vaccine can't have those qualities?



Yes


That's pretty dumb. but then again most of the antivax posts are.
Posted by loopback
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:31 pm to
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Walk me through how you got there


Anyone with a brain knows that getting the vaccine and having those qualities are not mutually exclusive. That's a conclusion you jumped to using a broad paintbrush
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:36 pm to
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if a company wants to do that now, they can just blame COVID and start making those cuts now. No one would give it a second thought, outside of obvious discrimination (all terminations are older people, or a certain race). If questioned, they could say it's because of the economy, loss revenue, based on projections, the need to be able to have employees working 6' apart...


Well, that’s why I said depending on size. WARN Act and all...
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:37 pm to
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Anyone with a brain knows that getting the vaccine and having those qualities are not mutually exclusive. That's a conclusion you jumped to using a broad paintbrush



But the guy I responded to said requiring the vaccine would make you lose all your employees like that. How is that my implication and not his?
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by tigerinthebueche
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 2:46 pm to
Would the business be liable for any potential side effects from the vaccine? Or is that a stat by state issue?
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