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re: Fed hides weekly M1 supply, says "money doesn't matter"

Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:36 am to
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:36 am to
It’s only crazy if you leave out half the formula
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:47 am to
feel free to go on, I'm more than familiar with the velocity of money argument which maybe you are getting at, but your initial claim as I read it was to say that the rate of change of the money supply was irrelevant to inflation; which obviously isn't true.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:57 pm to
I mean Strannix nailed it. The fiscal arm is what caused the boom in aggregate demand. That has been shut off. Looks like there's still about another $1T in reserves that are trapped in the banking system according to Joseph Wang. 1) that's not really enough to move the needle on inflation unless it's allocated quickly like the CARES Act 2) Knowing 1 implies that there's nowhere to invest it. Which also means the banks will not suddenly pivot to lending which is how money is created in the U.S.

Edit: I said base money and no it doesn't. It's an asset swap between accounts at the federal reserve. It's up to the private sector to lend against their reserves and so far that's been shown to be limited to PPP/CARES Act frickery which has dried up.





Basel III is another issue to tack on.

Yardeni Research - Bond and Equity Capital Flows

Good data in that deck ^
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 7:59 pm
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 3:39 pm to
Timing it will be hard, there will be some last gasp attempts to hold it off but the bubble as about to pop.

I hate this for everyone, sad.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 7:07 pm to
You’re predicting a rate shock? Or just a reversion to the mean with equity valuations?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 8:09 pm to
Can we get Russian and the other couple Macro economic guys in here please. You all post your short-term and long-term forecast along with recommendations on how to set for it.

We need guidance here people. Really mostly concerned about my father who just retired.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 8:16 pm to
Retirement age is rough. I’d prefer real estate over any other asset class at this point in low tax/growing population areas and actually common stock in names that are going to buyback all of their float. Both have huge discrepancies in supply dynamics that should boost returns and outperform other asset classes.
Posted by Turf Taint
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 8:27 pm to
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certain population


Who dat?
Posted by Strannix
District 11
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 6:47 am to
quote:

You’re predicting a rate shock? Or just a reversion to the mean with equity valuations?



Combo with a housing crash
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 6:54 am to
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Who dat?

People who had high incomes, large amounts of wealth, or the ability to borrow lots of money.

Anyone who didn't have one of those things and take advantage of the "fee money" is going to be left out and likely fricked over the next couple of years.

*ETA: companies as well as people, especially in finance where their magic is made with leverage.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 6:55 am
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 7:29 am to
This thread is like a time capsule and it is aging like fine wine. Interesting to see all the perspectives and prognostications as the stock market was soaring after injecting cash directly into its veins and the various ideas in what inflationary pressures we faced.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 7:55 am to
I think it’s pretty telling that 10 year treasuries are at a whopping 2.05% - the market continues to believe that long run inflation expectations will be muted or else that rate would be 4-5%+.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:18 am to
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the market continues to believe that long run inflation expectations will be muted or else that rate would be 4-5%+.


The market often continues irrational or idiotic trends, theres piles of historical evidence. There is fricking massive inflation going on now. Fresh reports this morning at the wholesale level.

Whether its stupidity or economic brinkmanship who knows. Or do they even care? The trust fund babies running the street will get bailed out.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 8:22 am
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:32 am to
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The market often continues irrational or idiotic trends, theres piles of historical evidence. There is fricking massive inflation going on now. Fresh reports this morning at the wholesale level.


Not really a ton of evidence in the bond market of such behavior.

Inflation is hot as hell at the moment - I don’t believe anyone is really suggesting otherwise. The discussion I’ve had in this thread has revolved around long-run expectations.

Even with the astronomical numbers we’ve seen in 2021/2022, the 10yr annualized CPI rate through January is 2.13%.

I’m not arguing against what we can see with our own eyes, I’m simply pointing out the doomsday projections over the longer run can still be pretty reasonable, even if it takes a year or two to wind it back in.
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:35 am to
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Not really a ton of evidence in the bond market of such behavior.



First time for everything...
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 8:40 am to
Housing isn’t crashing without a rapid fall in income which isn’t going to be allowed to happen. Inventory is at 30 year lows.
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:32 pm to
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Housing isn’t crashing without a rapid fall in income which isn’t going to be allowed to happen.


Inflation is costing the average working family 275 dollars a month already, thats only going up
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:10 pm to
Please tell that to my grocery store!

Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:45 pm to
Is the average family buying a home in the coming years? Did you factor in transfer payments?
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 8:32 pm to
The chickens are coming home to roost
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