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re: So what is the point of the Covid vaccine?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:10 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:10 pm to Seldom Seen
Population reduction
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:20 pm to Auburn1968
I've done a few CME's and court cases on vaccines, so I rather like the mRNA concept. It's just bits and pieces of the virus spike that trains your T and B cells to produce antibodies against covid.
I'm not so sure about the J&J version since is injects people with a chimp virus that invades cells to force them to express the covid spike. I really don't want to have the urge to climb trees and eat a lot of bananas.
I'm not so sure about the J&J version since is injects people with a chimp virus that invades cells to force them to express the covid spike. I really don't want to have the urge to climb trees and eat a lot of bananas.
This post was edited on 4/7/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:34 pm to Seldom Seen
Covid vaccines are like flu vaccines. They don't always keep you from getting flu, but they are very good at keeping you from dying from flu.
What goes around, comes around.
What goes around, comes around.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:40 pm to Auburn1968
I just really can’t justify on a cost/benefit basis taking a vaccine for a condition that is 98.7% survivable for someone like me.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:34 am to WeeWee
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With that being said, the only acceptable reason for not getting the vaccine is if you are allergic to one of the ingredients. You people that are turning down the vaccine are f**king stupid.
Thank you for your obedience. Remember to keep wearing your mask and social distancing. If you keep doing what they say, your betters will let you know when you can resume enjoying your God-given freedoms, until the next fearmongering event of course.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:44 am to OMLandshark
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Joe said fricking twice today that if we’re lucky we’ll be able to hang out in our backyard with like 8 people on the 4th of July. How is no one else not more pissed off about this? You’d think he’d let up on this idiocy, but nope you’re not in a free country anymore and save for the Tibetans and the Uyghurs the Chinese now have more freedom than you do. “I’ll tell you what this is about and it’s one word: Time”. No, you’re right that it is one word but you got the word wrong: Power. How anyone isn’t telling him to shove this tyranny up his own arse is beyond me. Bunch of fricking cowards.
Texas Rangers fans say "hold my beer". Literally.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:45 am to Bass Tiger
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Because millions of us are done and we’ve moved on.
That’s what I don’t understand . If a person has moved on or don’t care and are doing what you want, what’s the point of the numerous “same old shite” threads ? “Masks don’t work “ , “open up”, “ I am not taking the vaccine “. These boards just regurgitate the same stuff over and over . Just live your life
Posted on 4/7/21 at 5:49 am to Seldom Seen
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:25 am to Seldom Seen
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• does not provide immunity
False. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines showed 95% efficacy in trials. The Israelis have vaccinated half their population with the Pfizer vaccine. The Israeli Ministry of Health conducted a large study among their population and found the vaccine was 93% effective against people coming down with COVID.
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• does not eliminate the virus
No virus is ever really eliminated. We did a pretty good job with Smallpox, but the vast majority of viruses don't go away.
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• does not guarantee you won’t get it
This is such a straw man. Nothing in life is a guarantee, it's all about probabilities. Wearing a seatbelt doesn't guarantee you won't die when you crash your F-250 into a tree, but it does give a very statistically significant better chance of survival. Not smoking doesn't mean you wont get lung cancer, but your chances are WAY WAY lower if you never smoked.
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• does not stop you from passing it on to others
As I said above, Israel has vaccinated half their population with Pfizer. They have been following them closely and keeping very good data. They showed that Pfizer was 93% effective at stopping symptoms of COVID. However, they also showed that it was almost 90% effective at stopping spread (all spread).
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• does not eliminate the need for travel bans
• does not eliminate the need for business closures
• does not eliminate the need for lockdowns
• does not eliminate the need for social distancing
• does not eliminate the need for masks
Yes, that's correct. It won't eliminate these until enough people are vaccinated and/or until the virus only circulates among a small non-vaccinated minority. It's going to come to a point where the vaccinated just go on with their lives and the non-vaccinated continue to get it and die (especially the fatties and elderly). It is what it is. At some point CDC is going to have to just decide that a certain percentage of non-vaccinated people getting the disease is acceptable.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 8:35 am to OMLandshark
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Joe said fricking twice today that if we’re lucky we’ll be able to hang out in our backyard with like 8 people on the 4th of July. How is no one else not more pissed off about this?
Because just like JBE’s smacking, no one cares anymore. We’re just living our lives and frick the “mandates.”
Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:29 am to Seldom Seen
symptoms are greatly reduced.
few hospitalizations.
no deaths.
how did you manage to not know this?
few hospitalizations.
no deaths.
how did you manage to not know this?
Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:49 am to PorkSammich
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They are backing off the vaccine passport idea bc they realized if people had them they’d start doing whatever they want. Can’t have that.
Where did you read that? I read just the other day that the feds and tech companies were pushing forward with the idea.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:50 am to CelticDog
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no deaths.
You may want to go back and have a look.
I don't take the flu vaccination either. Neither are the kind of vaccinations we think of (like polio, mumps, measles) where you are all but guaranteed not to get that sickness.
The problem with this big 95% claim is that they have no idea of the people tested would have had any issues whatsoever. Nobody really has figured out why some people are hit harder by Covid than others. How many tested with this 'vaccination' would have never gotten Covid when exposed on their own? How many would get it but never know they even had it? Kind of hard to give a valid set of results when you don't know if the controls and tests were even susceptible to the virus in the first place.
I'm not one to discourage anyone from getting the vaccination. I just think it's a waste of time. I don't think it's some nefarious plan to track you or make you sterile or something else. I've been exposed to this virus various times and never have gotten it. The only time I've worn a mask or social distanced is when it was foisted on me. Same with the flu. I've only had it once in my 50 yrs.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:57 am to ninthward
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So what is the point of the Covid vaccine?
To track you.
The average American citizen already wears a smart watch and carries a smart phone with them at all times. There are plenty of ways for the government to track and spy on you without needing a vaccine chip to do it. Plus if you get an MRI, stand next to an the generator component of a wireless electric pet fence, or go through a full body TSA scanner the electromagnets in the machines will fry the chips. So that conspiracy theory is complete bullshite or easily taken care of if on the incredibly small chance that it is true.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:59 am to Seldom Seen
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According to the government the Covid19 vaccine...
• does not provide immunity
• does not eliminate the virus
• does not guarantee you won’t get it
• does not stop you from passing it on to others
• does not eliminate the need for travel bans
• does not eliminate the need for business closures
• does not eliminate the need for lockdowns
• does not eliminate the need for social distancing
• does not eliminate the need for masks
And if you experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine there will be no compensation from the vaccine manufacturer or the government as they have 100% zero liability.
This has been my question all along,...what does it actually do? The answer to this question is usually that I am killing grandma, or I am the reason the virus spreads, or my rights are not as important as public safety, none of which answer the question.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 9:59 am to AUstar
Excellent refutation. I am glad you posted all that so I didn't have to. That way only one of us wasted our time on this board! 
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:03 am to drdoct
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Nobody really has figured out why some people are hit harder by Covid than others.
This^. Not only do they not know, nobody seems interested in the why. The cure could be staring us in the face but no one wants to know why some drugs help treat it or why some people's blood type has different responses, or why some vitamins help some people fight it. All of that is attacked and shut down by the "wear a cloth over your face" crowd.
It is all about numbers of hospitalizations, then number of cases, now number of vaccines - this is not medicine.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:05 am to WeeWee
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They are backing off the vaccine passport idea bc they realized if people had them they’d start doing whatever they want. Can’t have that.
Where did you read that? I read just the other day that the feds and tech companies were pushing forward with the idea.
Or they will require it to vote ;)
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:40 am to tiggerfan02 2021
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I think you are fricking stupid for wanting to take a vaccine with no way to know long term issues from it, or long term effectiveness.
The technology for RNA vaccines has been around for over 30 years. There just hasn't been a virus that justified the expensed of the developing an RNA vaccine until COVID came around. The mechanism of action of the vaccine is safe and there is 30 years of research data to back that up. Plus a subject population of 63,000,000 Americans that proves it is safe.
The vaccine is effective for at least 6 months and likely much longer. It triggers both the cell-mediated and humoral components of the adaptive immune system. Which means it produces both memory T cells and memory B cells. Which in medical theory (would be fact but the only way to test it would be to surgically remove lymph nodes at regular intervals and see if they still respond to the virus which is too invasive and expensive for experiments to prove the theory) means that the younger a person is vaccinated the longer the immunity.
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Also, if you are under 70 without major comorbidities, you are as likely to die from the flu. This virus preys on those with frail immune systems who are sedentary.
In my professional medical opinion there is an unidentified genetic component that is just as big of a factor in determining the severity of the case as the lifestyle and comorbidities of the patient.Yes, being a lazy fatty mcfatarase (as the OT would say) increases the likelihood of having a more severe case and/or death. I have seen young and previously healthy patients in the ICU because of it. COVID also causes more damage to the lungs than the flu and it takes longer for the lungs to heal from that damage, and it has inflammatory effect that can cause hyper-coagulability which leads to blood clots, pulmonary emboli, and strokes that the flu does not have that effect. The best way to counter that unidentified genetic component is to get the vaccine.
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we are reaching herd immunity.
According to the tracker on google, ~63,000,000 Americans have been fully vaccinated and ~29,450,000 Americans have recovered from laboratory confirmed covid. That means that <100,000,000 Americans have some sort of immunity to covid. That is around 30% of the American population. We need ~70% to 90% to achieve herd immunity so we are not even halfway there. Plus the fact that we are averaging over lab confirmed 60,000 new cases of covid per day and over 500 deaths per day (yes they are over counting covid deaths but it is just the way it is) that is even more evidence that we are not close to herd immunity.
We need another 130,000,000 to 202,000,000 people either be fully vaccinated or recover from lab confirmed COVID to statistically achieve herd immunity which will shut Fauci and his fear mongering disciples up. If we average 60,000 new cases per day it would take over 5 years to reach herd immunity (plus the virus would have mutated and we would be facing new variants so the herd immunity becomes harder to achieve). If we vaccinate people at the current pace then it will take around 2 to 4 months (plus the vaccines reduce the chance of the virus mutating and forming additional new variants) to achieve herd immunity.
I do not know about the rest of yall but I really do not want deal with the covid bullshite and face mask bullshite for another 2 to 4 months but that is way better than > 5 years of dealing with the bullshite.
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My reasoning is just as sound as yours as far as I am concerned.
As an MD that has treated COVID-19 patients in the ICU, regular inpatient ward, and outpatient clinic I am going to have to disagree with you on that. See above for my rationale.
Posted on 4/7/21 at 10:42 am to CelticDog
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symptoms are greatly reduced.
few hospitalizations.
no deaths
Last time I checked the deaths associated from the vaccine was < 100. A lot less than actual covid but still some deaths.
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