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re: Conservatism doesn’t always equal Christianity
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:05 pm to BiteMe2020
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:05 pm to BiteMe2020
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I tend to prefer logic, not opinions, when it comes to religion basics.
Yep, and where does that lead you? Nodding along like a spineless lemming when your God drowns children.
I know that sounds harsh, but I know I wouldn't be shown respect if I thought highly of the atrocities Hitler committed.
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Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:07 pm to BiteMe2020
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You just can't logically ground that with a rigorous argument, which was the point.
Yes, you can. Empathy. Compassion. A desire to do good and treat others the way you want to be treated. That’s the argument. I didn’t need god to tell me how to empathize with others.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:10 pm to BiteMe2020
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It's not a hard concept to grasp.
But it is an easy assertion to make.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:10 pm to Azkiger
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I know that sounds harsh, but I know I wouldn't be shown respect if I thought highly of the atrocities Hitler committed.
It’s not harsh at all it’s totally real, Christians have no choice but to go along with whatever God does and justify it, no matter how horrible it is.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:24 pm to Zach
Am conservative. am not religious at all.
chalk me up to one more person that proves your statement.
chalk me up to one more person that proves your statement.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:27 pm to BiteMe2020
And where have you been served this diet of atheist claims?
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:37 pm to nitwit
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And where have you been served this diet of atheist claims?
Christian apologists. Chalk it up to faith and poisonings the well.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 2:52 pm to Azkiger
Found these to be interesting
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This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:14 pm to MJforPrez
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Yes, you can. Empathy. Compassion. A desire to do good and treat others the way you want to be treated. That’s the argument.
That's not an argument, that's just you deciding that "empathy is good", so you're going to practice empathy. Nobody's claiming that you can't decide your own moral code; of course you can. I'm just saying that your determination that "empathy is good" is a personal preference, not logic.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:37 pm to nitwit
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And where have you been served this diet of atheist claims?
Atheist blogs, mostly. Like people make fun of Christian fundamentalists, there are atheist fundamentalists, too, lol.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:40 pm to Revelator
It's important to remember that Ancient Israel before King Saul was basically an Ancap society.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:40 pm to AggieHank86
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Found these to be interesting
Indeed.
If I were to put myself in a corner, I'm actually a Christian agnostic. I have no first hand knowledge of God, per se. I'm convinced in the existence of God through what I observe and logical arguments which I find compelling. I'm convinced of Christianity as the correct "version" of God for other reasons.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:42 pm to MJforPrez
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Yes, you can. Empathy. Compassion. A desire to do good and treat others the way you want to be treated. That’s the argument. I didn’t need god to tell me how to empathize with others.
Of course you can be good without God. I don't assume atheists are evil people, lol. No thinking Christian claims that atheists are bad people. In fact, there are atheists that are more moral than many Christians.
It would be like making generalizations about black people. Which is stupid.
That's not the point of Christianity, though. It's not a morality contest. Jesus pretty much answered that question to the two thieves on the crosses beside him.
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:54 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:I had never seen the distinctions presented in quite this way (2-dimensions, belief and knowledge).quote:Indeed.
Found these to be interesting
If I were to put myself in a corner, I'm actually a Christian agnostic. I have no first hand knowledge of God, per se. I'm convinced in the existence of God through what I observe and logical arguments which I find compelling. I'm convinced of Christianity as the correct "version" of God for other reasons.
One wonders how ANYONE could in good faith place themselves in the Gnostic category on either theism or atheism.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 3:55 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:But, at the same time, does not your Christianity dictate a belief that all atheists (no matter how moral) will go to Hell for failing to believe in (and accept) not only the Abrahamic God BUT ALSO the Trinity?
Of course you can be good without God. I don't assume atheists are evil people, lol. No thinking Christian claims that atheists are bad people. In fact, there are atheists that are more moral than many Christians
This post was edited on 3/4/21 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 3/4/21 at 4:10 pm to BiteMe2020
You are correct, You can be saved have Salvation then not live a Christian life, but repent and God will forgive. You can be a good person do many great things but if you do not except Jesus you have no salvation. He is the Way to the Father.
This is a very hard concept for non-Christians to grasp. Through the Grace of God I have been Saved and Born Again.
I hope, pray and talk about Jesus everyday to friends and strangers. God Bless
This is a very hard concept for non-Christians to grasp. Through the Grace of God I have been Saved and Born Again.
I hope, pray and talk about Jesus everyday to friends and strangers. God Bless
Posted on 3/4/21 at 4:19 pm to AggieHank86
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But, at the same time, does not your Christianity dictate a belief that all atheists (no matter how moral) will go to Hell for failing to believe in (and accept) not only the Abrahamic God BUT ALSO the Trinity?
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God - Romans
God is not willing that any should perish. - 2 Peter
I leave the judging up to God. That's His job, privilege and duty, not mine.
Yes, Christians believe we are saved by Jesus' sacrifice. Far be it from me to say that his sacrifice was incomplete, or not good enough to save someone who merely didn't have enough wisdom or knowledge to accept him.
That's up to God. I think, though, there are people, who faced with certain proof that God exists, would still choose to reject Him.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 4:19 pm to AggieHank86
I agree with that, I think you need more than atheist = affirmative no gods, agnostic = fence sitter, and theists = there is a god/gods. It's a complicated topic.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 4:23 pm to Azkiger
quote:If we could draw in three dimensions, it would be interesting to also add a dimension/axis for deist vs theist (impersonal deity vs personal deity).
I agree with that, I think you need more than atheist = affirmative no gods, agnostic = fence sitter, and theists = there is a god/gods. It's a complicated topic.
Is there a term for belief in SOME sort of deity or deities, inclusive of both theism and deism? I've never been able to find one.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 4:29 pm to AggieHank86
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I had never seen the distinctions presented in quite this way (2-dimensions, belief and knowledge).
One wonders how ANYONE could in good faith place themselves in the Gnostic category on either theism or atheism.
One thought - If you believe in the existence of atoms, you're likely either a scientist who has the knowledge and experimental evidence to prove their existence, or you believe that atoms exist based on the testimony of said scientists.
I'd have to label myself an agnostic with respect to atoms. I believe they exist, though I've never seen one, and the authorities and arguments for their existence to me are compelling.
Perhaps a bad example, of course.
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