re: What are some of your thoughts on the carnivore diet

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Like breaded and fried? From reading up on this diet, that's not allowed. And I think the trade-off for eating only meat would be to prepare it as healthy as possible. Like grilled or oven roasted.

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No, I mean sticking with 100% protein but frying as an alternative to mix it up from time to time. Like fried chicken or fried fish

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No, I mean sticking with 100% protein but frying as an alternative to mix it up from time to time. Like fried chicken or fried fish

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Real true carnivore is straight meat. Frying is going to introduce carbs and oils. I wouldn't make a habit of it, but it's not the end of the world either.

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Is it overall healthy?

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if you do not get suffecient vitamins in some form or another...no. If you do...its fine

You will have a noticable dip in performance though.

In a normal healthy person 95+% of health benifits of any diet come from the fat loss itself. Plenty of studies and meta-analysis show that once you equate for energy expenditure and protein and equalize those you get:

1) consistent body fat loss across the board, no matter the diet. I.E. consistency is much more important than type of diet

2) health benifits of any particular diet is over blown, that includes any form of keto, intermittent fasting etc

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Do you basically shite a piece of firewood a few times a week?

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for most that is individual and will depend on how much fat you actually intake, when you intake it, if you include veggies at all....etc etc

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Was it difficult eating like a coyote

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I love meat and tend to go keto/carnivorish when trying to cut as I personally find it fits the foods I like to eat better, but i could never go completely carnivore. I have done strictly steak and eggs, but still prefer to have a small salad or other green veggies if for nothing else just for the sake of having something different.

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Is the testosterone boost noticeable?

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The studies show an increase in individuals that start strength training and begin eating in a slight caloric deficit so long as the diet maintains adequate protien to support the individuals particular lean body mass.

The latest study from Wilson showed an average increase of around 100 ng/dl for keto diet and around 30 ng/dl, so roughly a 70-75 point difference on average. I do not think most people, unless they are already suffering from low testosterone, are going to notice that kind of uptick.

For the average 30-50 year old male, that is only an increase of 10-15%. Its not like the keto diet is going to put you up in the 1100 ng/dl range


Wilson's Study
Santos discussion of study and possible reasons for Test increase

TL:Dr:

1) Carnivore can be healthy if micronutrition is ingested

2) You can lose weight on carnivore, but body fat loss is the same as all other diets and depends on caloric deficit and amount of protein consumed due to dietary induced thermogensis. So just pick a way of eating that will allow you to be consistant.

3) I would not recommend jumping straight to carnivore

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You can

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No, no you can’t. Eating only twinkies and French fries you will not be healthy, at all

You can lose weight if you limit those calories, but you won’t be healthy.

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Being a healthy weight, no matter how achieved has been shown to lead to longevity over being obese.

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Ok great

Eating only twinkies will not lead you to be a healthy person though. Healthier than a 500lb lardass, yes. Healthy though, no

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Eating only twinkies will not lead you to be a healthy person though

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If you eat only twinkies at a healthy weight or the most "healthy" diet, but are obese the data points to the twinkie person living longer.

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Ok but that wasn’t your argument

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There's no evidence that you wouldn't be unhealthy either. Point is, being not fat puts you way ahead of the average American either way.

My original post was replying to Centinel saying you can't lose weight eating ONLY junk food, which is verifiedly false.

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Centinel saying you can't lose weight eating ONLY junk food, which is verifiedly false.

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Not what he said

He said you “can’t lose weight AND BE HEALTHY eating only junk food”

Weight loss is simple “calories in vs calories out”. Health is far more than that

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Eating only twinkies will not lead you to be a healthy person though. Healthier than a 500lb lardass, yes. Healthy though, no

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FTR there are plenty of studies and meta analysis that show that 95% or so of health benifits from any diet come from the fat loss itself, not the macro & mirco nutrient breakdown of any particular diet.

im not saying eating only twinkies are healthy, but if you are in a caloric deficit and eating plenty of protein to support you goals then having a twinkie or two daily is not going to be much different than eating that same amount of carbs from brown rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc. Very Very little difference in overall health markers and fat loss and any differences would be within a statistical range of error. Even getting all of your carbs from that kind of source is not going to make a diffence so long as you remain compliant.

There in lies the issue though. Twinkies provide very little postive effects on satiation and in general would lead to people overeating.

So in the end Mingo is correct and technically you are too, just not for the reasons you assume.