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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:45 pm to southernelite
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:45 pm to southernelite
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It was really a no-win situation
The solution was painfully obvious, make the exact same decision that they made, but make the decision from the beginning instead of changing your mind a split second before the race restarts. Mercedes decided to stay out because the back-markers weren’t going to be allowed to unlap themselves. By the time the decision was changed, Lewis didn’t have an opportunity to get fresh tires. If you want them to race it out, let them race it out with fresh tires.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:53 pm to southernelite
If Masi would have red flagged the race and did a standing restart, we would have gotten like 5 or 6 laps of greatness.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 12:58 pm to kengel2
But man that one lap will live in infamy
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:10 pm to kengel2
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If Masi would have red flagged the race and did a standing restart, we would have gotten like 5 or 6 laps of greatness
And two DNFs
Max would have torpedoed into the first turn and taken out Ham
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:23 pm to Lsut81
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And two DNFs
Max would have torpedoed into the first turn and taken out Ham
Who had the fastest lap at that time? Hamilton I think.
Would have been cool to see Sainz win though.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:27 pm to Captain Crackysack
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Mercedes decided to stay out because the back-markers
This is not true, they never gave indication of that. Lewis was concerned the moment the accident happened.
Im amazed that there are so many Merc apologists here, everyone I actually know is ecstatic with this result.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:36 pm to nola tiger lsu
The result is fine. Max did what he needed to secure the championship. This isn't on him.
The method was shite though.
The method was shite though.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:46 pm to fightin tigers
I’m excited for next year… lots of storylines.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:47 pm to kengel2
quote:No, it was flashed on the screen after Max had changed to hards that he had the fastest lap.
Who had the fastest lap at that time? Hamilton I think.
Had Max taken out Lewis, I believe points would have been taken away.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:51 pm to Lsut81
quote:
I’m excited for next year… lots of storylines
The "Hamilton is retiring" storyline is already starting.
Someone is playing up his post race use of "We'll see about next year" as a hint he isn't coming back.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:55 pm to fightin tigers
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Someone is playing up his post race use of "We'll see about next year" as a hint he isn't coming back.
He just re-signed.
He will be back, but I’d imagine isn’t happy about losing Bottas for George.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:06 pm to nola tiger lsu
quote:Correct. They already missed the window when Max boxed the third time. I believe Lewis was on the radio at that time asking if it was a risk not to take new tires.
This is not true, they never gave indication of that. Lewis was concerned the moment the accident happened.
I think Lewis was ~6 seconds or more ahead when Max boxed the first time and Lewis covered him two laps later. The third time Max boxed, Lewis was ~5 seconds in front and would have come out behind Max on fresher tires.
When Latifi crashed, Toto knew immediately they had fricked up. A late crash or tire failure were the only eventualities that could have kept them from winning.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:21 pm to Ice Cold
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believe Lewis was on the radio at that time asking if it was a risk not to take new tires.
He was. The race engineer was telling him they would lose track position.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:22 pm to Ice Cold
It would be fun to hear the Merc strategist radio between the yellow and Hamilton passing the pit.
Hear how they settled that keeping track position was right solution. If their simulations showed the race would end under yellow or if they were just hoping it would.
Hear how they settled that keeping track position was right solution. If their simulations showed the race would end under yellow or if they were just hoping it would.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:26 pm to UltimaParadox
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Honestly to Mercedes the WDC is nothing compared to the Constructors. If this had decided the Constructors as well then it would be a complete shite show beyond imaginable
Why do you say that? Most people don't give a shite about the constructors and the only thing we remember is the WDC
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:27 pm to TomBuchanan
Big money. No money is handed out for the WDC.
WDC is pride. WCC is 10s of millions.
WDC is pride. WCC is 10s of millions.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:27 pm to Ice Cold
I don’t particularly care for Lewis or Max but there’s no way you can watch the ending of the race and think that it was handled correctly. Mercedes can only strategize based off the information being provided. When Massi changes his mind after already making a decision, wtf is Toto supposed to do?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:39 pm to Captain Crackysack
Someone went and dug up Masi's comments following the 2020 Eiffel GP.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:40 pm to fightin tigers
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Big money. No money is handed out for the WDC.
WDC is pride. WCC is 10s of millions.
I'm sure they care about money but do they really care that much when pride is on the line as well? Considering how much the brand name itself is worth? Does it matter that they are the most successful vehicle manufacturer of the group (not counting Honda)? I do know the race teams are a separate entity from the companies that produce vehicles for civilians, or thats my impression at least
Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:43 pm to Captain Crackysack
Toto was locked into his strategy before Masi decided anything.
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