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re: Anyone else concerned about Ingram?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:26 pm to Bronc
Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:26 pm to Bronc
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What about having zero continuity and a shitty, non-complimentary roster is not a legitimate excuse to be bad?
Yeah, b/c we are the only team with this zero continuity excuse, whatever that means, or a shitty non-complimentary roster. The Grizz were the wrost 3 point shooting team last year, and aren't much better this year, yet they aren't bitching about spacing or being a bottom 4 team.
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Christian Wood is a 23-11 fringe all-star and likely most improved player winner,
we have a guy that actually made an all star team.
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PJ Tucker is another unicorn that can hit 40% on threes and defend centers or small forwards,
He's just one defender. Steven Adams is just as good a defender. Tucker can only make 3's from the corner, literally. Over 75% of his threes the last 3 years have been taken from the corner. He's not some unicorn 3 point shooter. He's basically Bruce Bowen, can literally only shoot from the corner.
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John Wall is shooting the best of his career
So is Bledsoe
And John Wall has missed 7 games this year, and the Rockets are 2-5 in those games.
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That is a VERY solid and COMPLIMENTARY starting unit
Sure its solid, but it has ZERO continuity, or does that not matter b/c they are winning?
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They have the best version of Cousins we have seen since his injury, Eric Gordon averaging 17 a game on good shooting, and guys like McLemore hitting 41% on 4 three attempts a game coming off their bench
Cousins has looked terrible. EG has shot under his career 3P% for 4 years in a row now. His 3 best years of his career from 3 were the last 3 in New Orleans, and he's been no where hear that from since then. McLemore probably won't be in the league next year.
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In what fricking world do you think our roster is more cohesive and better than the Rockets? In what world does that roster even stink???? It's a legit 6-8 seed roster if healthy. Would have been the most cohesive and best roster Harden would have had in years.
I don't think either roster is that well constructed. But one team is playing much better than the other.
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So then why are you making endless excuses for these other teams and denying them for the Pels?
i'm literally saying that those teams aren't making excuses, even though they have some to make. You're making excuses for our shortcomings, and i'm pointing out that other teams are facing similar issues, and many of them worst issues than we are, yet aren't losing like us.
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Maybe if you spent less time making excuses for why the roster would magically have good spacing instead of just accepting the reality I and people like Zach Lowe tried to point out before the season started, you could have avoided this melt by recognizing that our potential struggles were always there to see if you weren't just wanting to live in a world of sunshine pumping with rose-colored glasses on...
I'm just not one to accept excuses when your healthy. It's one thing if you are having to play games without your full team, especially when starters are missing big chunks of games. We've been one of the least affected teams in the league by injuries and covid BS. What we are doing is unexplainable. We had a 30 point lead in the 3rd quarter against the Buck and won by 4. How many games have we had where we had double digit leads only to lose by double digits? How come we can play 2-3 quarters of good offense, and then just completely shite the bed? Explain to me how we can not have spacing issues for half the game, but then have spacing issues for the other half, and they be so apparent that they give us zero chance to win?
Do you not find this odd?
We are 4th in the league in 1st quarter scoring. We are 3rd in opponents scoring, meaning 3rd best at defense.
We are 28th in 2nd quarter scoring. 29th on defense.
We are 25th in 3rd quarter scoring. 24th on defense.
We are 12th in 4th quarter scoring. 11th on defense.
How can we come out great almost every game, then be terrible the rest of the way?
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 4:57 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Yeah, b/c we are the only team with this zero continuity excuse, whatever that means, or a shitty non-complimentary roster. The Grizz were the wrost 3 point shooting team last year, and aren't much better this year, yet they aren't bitching about spacing or being a bottom 4 team.
None of those teams have both those problems, but you only want to make excuses for them, and deny them for the Pels. It's telling that your wanted the narrative to meet your pre-determined conclusions instead of objectively looking at the situation.
You really learned nothing from your logic patterns to start the season huh? When you went on and on about how spacing wouldn't be a problem, how we weren't gonna take a big step back, how this just had to be a good team.
You set your expectations unrealistically high and are melting and once again blaming others for those unrealistic expectations not being met.
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we have a guy that actually made an all star team.
They have two, technically three. And they actually complement one another to go with that whole roster. We do not have that luxury, but you again want to pretend otherwise.
And you can cherry-pick whatever you want, continue with the lopsided excuse game, but Rockets Bench >>>> Pels Bench, the total complementary nature of the Rockets >>>> Pels. And it's not even close. They are a floor balanced, veteran-led, blue-collar team with complementary pieces and solid depth. None of those things you can say about the Pels.
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i'm literally saying that those teams aren't making excuses, even though they have some to make. You're making excuses for our shortcomings, and i'm pointing out that other teams are facing similar issues, and many of them worst issues than we are, yet aren't losing like us.
No, but you are making excuses. Continuously and habitually. While denying them for the Pels. Which you literally go on to do after stating this. You want to give out excuses left and right to the Raptors, Heat, and Mavericks for their near equally poor play, but refuse to acknowledge even the ones that were prophesized to you months ago, like the problematic makeup of this roster.
Melt all you want, but stop trying to pretend this was some unforeseen event and that everything and everyone is trash because you, up to this moment even, refuse to see reality as it really is. Which is that this team was/is in a shitty situation coming into this season and in it's early goings, going to war with a very questionable lineup that we needed to assume all sorts of things going the perfect way just to be on pace for the play-in.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 5:20 pm to Bronc
You and Teddy make me laugh with the amount of words in some of yall's posts.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:22 pm to ghost2most
There’s a growing trend of Ingram coming out hot in the first and sucking the rest of the game.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:27 pm to ghost2most
Once teams the lock in on him the degree of difficulty for his shots increase. Between his lack of explosiveness and reliable, scoring, teammates aside from Zion it’s bound to happen.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:36 pm to Pelliveli
Ingram’s game is just not efficient. When things get tough at the end of games, or how they will be in the playoffs, he is not effective. We have to get the ball to Zion more.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:41 pm to ThePistol
It’s more emblematic of the offensive struggles and lack of a true point guard as the game goes on. Our offensive identity goes to just straight up iso with Ingram and that’s never going to be as efficient as him catching and shooting or getting the ball moving downhill.
All year long people have been trying to put blame on Ingram and Zion due to things that a point guard should be able to fix.
All year long people have been trying to put blame on Ingram and Zion due to things that a point guard should be able to fix.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:47 pm to hendersonshands
We have a large enough sample size, when things get tough, he goes iso. He’s not Luka, he’s not KD. Look at his fourth qtr stats through 25 games. We have two max guys. One is less than 50 games into his career and plays at an all time efficient level. One is in his fifth year and plays on the wing and STRUGGLES in fourth qtrs and generally struggles as games progress.
I don’t think BI is a finished product but it’s unfortunate that he is not capable of being that guy get. There are reasons for concern. He’s not that young.
I don’t think BI is a finished product but it’s unfortunate that he is not capable of being that guy get. There are reasons for concern. He’s not that young.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:51 pm to ghost2most
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really hope he's more KD than Monta Ellis.
Lol wuttt?
Dude. No.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:56 pm to ghost2most
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and when his midrange is off, he's a black hole of inefficiency.
So he shoots 47% from the field tonight and 44% from 3, and to you he’s inefficient?
Those are good shooting numbers dumbass.
I hate this stupid arse shite.
Kobe Bryant shot - 45% from the field and 36 % from 3 in his MVP season. I guess he was inefficient to you also.
For the record, BI is shooting 46% from fg and 39% from 3 this year.
Gtf you idiots.
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:03 pm to P bean
Ingram isn’t terrible. He’s a very good player. But, he is objectively worse as games progress. The pelicans are also objectively worse as games progress. There is a strong correlation there. Part of the problem with Ingram is that in year 5, he is not going to provide stops of the other team’s best wing player. In fact, we have to hide him off of those guys. For example, he was never the primary defender on Luka tonight. So if he’s not efficient as a scorer consistently late in games, we will struggle.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:22 pm to ghost2most
I have been saying since the first preseason games when Zion and BI played together last year that they are not a good fit chemistry wise. BI to me is the perfect marquee guy on a bottom dwelling team that will never amount to much and he deserves that role, and Zion is the type of guy you build a championship team around. I look like a prophet and a courageous man for speaking the truth back then. I will give myself a massive pat on the back for that one.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:52 pm to ghost2most
Some just don't understand how hard it is on Zion and BI to play out there without a true PG. And I hope Kira keeps developing. The game is so much easier when you have a guard that can drive in kick the ball out.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 11:42 pm to Pelicansfan69
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You've said a bunch of dumb things, but this one is just ruhtard. So you don't like a guard that can get his shot off anytime he wants, gets to the rim and draws fouls, and has become a knock down 3 point shooter, you don't like that fit? Please explain what it is about BI that doesn't fit with Zion.
This board is just dumb as shite re: basketball. Especially the NBA.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 11:47 pm to ThePistol
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But, he is objectively worse as games progress. The pelicans are also objectively worse as games progress. There is a strong correlation there. Part of the problem with Ingram is that in year 5, he is not going to provide stops of the other team’s best wing player. In fact, we have to hide him off of those guys. For example, he was never the primary defender on Luka tonight. So if he’s not efficient as a scorer consistently late in games, we will struggle.
Wrong. Someone pointed out BI is shooting 50% in 4th quarter situations this year.
He scored 30 tonight, shooting 46% and 44% from 3 and this board flames him.
Ya’ll are fricking stupid.
Its basketball dude. You dont hit every shot.
Curry shoots 43% from 3 this year.
Ingram shoots 39% from 3 this year.
Figure out that Ingram is baller and shut the frick up.
EVERYONE misses shots dude.
Luuka shoots like 30% from the 3 and this board is obsessed with him.
shite is retarded.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 2/13/21 at 12:55 am to P bean
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P bean
Thank you for your service
Posted on 2/13/21 at 10:30 am to Dantheman504
quote:It is pretty amazing
You and Teddy make me laugh with the amount of words in some of yall's posts.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 10:13 pm to cas4t
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Thank you for your service
Welcome bro!
Posted on 2/14/21 at 1:12 am to TigerinATL
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think his defense looks a lot better and he's making off ball/passing lane plays more often than he used to. He's still not good, but he doesn't have to become your lockdown guy, he just needs to keep improving until he doesn't need to be hidden.
The problem is he is a bad defender at one of the most important defensive positions in the league. When your biggest and most athletic wing has to to be hid on D, it trickles down and causes mismatches across the board. I'm not asking him to be a lockdown 2-way player, but he at least has to be able to hold his chops against the Kwahi's, PG13, Luka's, and Lebron's of league. That dog doesn't hunt when Josh Hart is having to be your primary defender against the top wings in the league.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 7:53 pm to 504Voodoo
We should just bench Ingram after the first quarter
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