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How did it come to pass that a president can invoke executive orders?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:37 am
I never really paid much attention to EOs until the Obama years, but I don’t remember Clinton or the Bushes using them much.
How did this executive overreach come about?
How did this executive overreach come about?
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:38 am to Eli Goldfinger
It may be a chicken or the egg question, but I would say, when Congress stopped actually operating as a legislative body.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:38 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:39 am to Eli Goldfinger
The day one was issued and Congress didn’t challenge it. Checks and balances began to die.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:39 am to Eli Goldfinger
Biden and Obama mostly did them out of laziness.
Both controlled both houses of congress.
Both controlled both houses of congress.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:41 am to Eli Goldfinger
Clinton, Bush, and Obama all used Executive orders extensively. Bush has the most, though quantity doesn't really mean much. Obama's were likely the most impactful to policy.
Trump used almost as many in 4 years as his three predecessors did in their 8, but many of Trump's EOs weakened the executive branch and took powers away.
Trump used almost as many in 4 years as his three predecessors did in their 8, but many of Trump's EOs weakened the executive branch and took powers away.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:42 am to Eli Goldfinger
Congress passes laws.
Executive enforces them.
EOs were supposed to be directives to agencies regarding enforcement.
Executive enforces them.
EOs were supposed to be directives to agencies regarding enforcement.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:44 am to Eli Goldfinger
Do you know what they even are? The president doesn't control everything. He only controls the executive branch. Go do some research on the limitations ON EOs.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:44 am to Eli Goldfinger
It's not new by any means:
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:53 am to Eli Goldfinger
Thomas Jefferson with the Louisiana purchase.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:55 am to Eli Goldfinger
Congress hasn't challenged EOs because Congress doesn't like taking positions on things. Two examples off the top of my head:
War is supposed to be declared by Congress. War in Vietnam was very controversial especially after the Korean war. Congress doesn't like controversy so the Vietnam war was never declared by Congress.
Abortion is legal throughout most of the developed world. In every country it is a legislative act. Not in the U.S. Too controversial for Congress. So, they used a Judicial act and live in constant fear that it might be overturned and swing back to Congressional vote.
War is supposed to be declared by Congress. War in Vietnam was very controversial especially after the Korean war. Congress doesn't like controversy so the Vietnam war was never declared by Congress.
Abortion is legal throughout most of the developed world. In every country it is a legislative act. Not in the U.S. Too controversial for Congress. So, they used a Judicial act and live in constant fear that it might be overturned and swing back to Congressional vote.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 10:59 am to Eli Goldfinger
You know there are websites that track this stuff, right?
Executive Orders started with Washington. They are just directives to Federal Agencies that are part of the Executive branch.
They were not used extensively until the Civil War and reconstruction. Lincoln, Johnson and Grant issued dozens per year. In the early 20th Century, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, and FDR all issued thousands of them (Wilson and FDR had World Wars to manage)
They became less popular after WWII, with Presidents issuing just 60 or so per year. Then Ford issued 169 EOs in just 2.5 years, and Carter issued 320 in just 4 years.
EOs became much less popular after that, until Trump ratcheted the count up to 55 per year.
I hope this does not become the new trend, with an incoming President undoing the EOs of his predecessor in the first week. The EOs related to COVID response will become moot at some point. The others should eventually be the subject of legislation, or else they will be easily reversed by the next guy.
Executive Orders started with Washington. They are just directives to Federal Agencies that are part of the Executive branch.
They were not used extensively until the Civil War and reconstruction. Lincoln, Johnson and Grant issued dozens per year. In the early 20th Century, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, and FDR all issued thousands of them (Wilson and FDR had World Wars to manage)
They became less popular after WWII, with Presidents issuing just 60 or so per year. Then Ford issued 169 EOs in just 2.5 years, and Carter issued 320 in just 4 years.
EOs became much less popular after that, until Trump ratcheted the count up to 55 per year.
I hope this does not become the new trend, with an incoming President undoing the EOs of his predecessor in the first week. The EOs related to COVID response will become moot at some point. The others should eventually be the subject of legislation, or else they will be easily reversed by the next guy.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:04 pm to Eli Goldfinger
EO's need to stop except maybe in times of national emergency.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:17 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
How did it come to pass that a president can invoke executive orders?
How did it come to pass that America now only remains functioning due to omnibus bills?
Same answer...
Because we allowed it, and watched our freedom's slowly erode away while sitting on our asses.
Now, they're going for the kill shot, and there's nothing we can, or WILL, do about it.
We deserve this, and it pains me to say that.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:18 pm to Eli Goldfinger
The only people lazier than our general public are our elected congressman. That’s how. We deserve everything coming our way as a nation. We asked for it.
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 12:58 pm to Eli Goldfinger
They have the Presidency, the House, AND the Senate and they still need to resort to EO's?????WTF
Posted on 1/27/21 at 1:18 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Executive orders are meant to be "Here's how we're going to operate or enact this law."
They can't (technically) just invent things they haven't been given the authority to do.
They can't (technically) just invent things they haven't been given the authority to do.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 2:32 pm to Eli Goldfinger
George Washington issued executive orders. They've been around a long time.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 2:33 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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executive orders
They technically only apply to the executive branch...
You and I can tell them to FO...and Congress or the states are supposed to challenge these things...
Posted on 1/27/21 at 8:42 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Executive orders are authorized in the constitution under the provision that the laws be “faithfully executed.”
The idea being that the executive branch can use them to make sure that laws are enforced.
However, congress has let presidents run amok with executive orders. Pussies.
The idea being that the executive branch can use them to make sure that laws are enforced.
However, congress has let presidents run amok with executive orders. Pussies.
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