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SVG calls out Zion and Ingram for defense and turnovers
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:16 am
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“Listen,” Van Gundy said after his team’s 21-turnover performance, “the answer to these problems is your best players have to take responsibility to defend and play harder and to take care of the ball.”
...“I can go get other guys who would probably never turn the ball over but can’t go get 25 or 30 points,” Van Gundy said. “Am I at that point yet? I’m not. I think these guys will turn it around. I have confidence in that. I would say more I have a faith in that. Faith is a belief in things unseen. I haven’t seen enough of it. But I still have faith that they will turn it around.”
On Saturday, Ingram was responsible for one-third of New Orleans’ turnovers. The overwhelming majority of his seven giveaways were unforced errors, not the result of the Pelicans’ poor spacing. He had four turnovers in the fourth quarter alone.
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
All of this is true but the one thing more disappointing than the turnovers Saturday was the lack of heart and hustle. The team looked defeated and lacked urgency. This is a whole different issue
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:22 am to J_Hingle
Shamit had an interesting thought on twitter, put Zion and Ingram on the top players on the other team and force them to defend better. Hiding them only lets them keep developing bad habits. It's definitely worth trying at this point.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:22 am to J_Hingle
This is like the longest, toughest road trip in team history. JJ said days ago that this was by far the most brutal road trip of his career and it was really, really weighing on them.
Hopefully once they get home for some games they can turn it around a bit.
Hopefully once they get home for some games they can turn it around a bit.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
quote:I saw that and loved that idea.
Shamit had an interesting thought on twitter, put Zion and Ingram on the top players on the other team and force them to defend better. Hiding them only lets them keep developing bad habits. It's definitely worth trying at this point.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
quote:Lots of us have been saying this for some time now.
the answer to these problems is your best players have to take responsibility to defend and play harder
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:39 am to TigerinATL
Should have called out Adams as well. That was his worst game as a Pel. He looked old and tired. He was a step late on defense and got outhustled terribly on the boards.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:40 am to NOSHAU
It's hard carrying an entire defense game in and game out
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:43 am to Fun Bunch
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This is like the longest, toughest road trip in team history. JJ said days ago that this was by far the most brutal road trip of his career and it was really, really weighing on them.
Maybe had they won a few games they wouldn't be so down. suck it up butter cups. You aren't the only team that has a long road trip this year. The Spurs do this every single year while every other team doesn't have to.
You played the worst team in the league, on the 2nd night of a back to back, without their 2 best players, and you could tell from the tip off that we had zero interest in this game. Bad teams play bad on long road trips like this. Good teams fight through it. We aren't good.
While i agree Zion and Ingram have been one of the bigger issues on the team with turnovers, especially the unforced ones, SVG needs to call himself out. We are worst on offense, and no better on defense this year. We all were ok with maybe taking a step back offensively if it meant we became a top 10 defensive team. We are sucking on both ends of the court, and we've got multiple players that look like they are very disgruntled.
SVG needs to turn this season around and get us playing better or i'll be ready for a new coach next season. I'm not down with all the excuses everyone throws out. A good coach wouldn't have us playing this bad.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:52 am to TeddyPadillac
This sounds terrible but I am having a very difficult time caring about this team. The regression has been astounding. Watching Zion completely ignore his guy cutting to the rim with Rubio driving, and his guy getting an uncontested dunk....man that was hard to watch. How does this happen to a pro that gives a shite about winning? I don't understand and that ok. I just want to them to be in every game and give themselves a chance. Going up by 16 and then losing by 20, even to a good team (twice), is not normal.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:57 am to TeddyPadillac
One of the issues that could be leading to turnovers is the lack of confidence in their teammates to make a play. When BI or Zion drive it and defensive help comes, who would feel overly confident in most of the Pels shooters to make an open 3 or make a play with the ball.
Effort, intensity, and ownership needs to come from the Pels stars, I will admit. However, this roster needs some additional revamping to surround the core with better and better fitting players.
Effort, intensity, and ownership needs to come from the Pels stars, I will admit. However, this roster needs some additional revamping to surround the core with better and better fitting players.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:59 am to SaintEB
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How does this happen to a pro that gives a shite about winning? I don't understand and that ok.
Probably too tired carrying the offense or being frustrated with these damn guard plays. Guy sees everyone is quitting so he feels like he shouldn’t try either. I feel like SVG has lost the locker room imo. Who knows how they play tonight since they finish the road games.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:00 am to SaintEB
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How does this happen to a pro that gives a shite about winning?
I'm not sure about your specific example, but there have been plenty of clips of Zion allowing back cuts recently and it's called ball watching. It's a dumb thing young players do, but it's not about not giving a shite. It does give me some concern that Zion's BBIQ has been over hyped because he ball watches so hard, but it's a defensive intelligence thing, not a caring thing.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:01 am to SCP
Effort and intensity has to begins with your stars. If they don't come out with the energy needed to set the tone, your role players are going to follow suite. Zion needs to display more energy and emotion on the court. If he plays with energy like a Draymond Green on the court, it would probably make a big difference.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 11:02 am
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:10 am to supe12sta12z
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If he plays with energy like a Draymond Green on the court, it would probably make a big difference.
I think I agree. I like that he has a calm demeanor but there is a time for emotion. This can go for Ingram too.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
quote:It's what he did at Duke most of the time, but easier to get away with there. Habit needs to be broken and you would think coaching would focus on it.
I'm not sure about your specific example, but there have been plenty of clips of Zion allowing back cuts recently and it's called ball watching. It's a dumb thing young players do, but it's not about not giving a shite. It does give me some concern that Zion's BBIQ has been over hyped because he ball watches so hard, but it's a defensive intelligence thing, not a caring thing.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:53 am to TigerinATL
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On Saturday, Ingram was responsible for one-third of New Orleans’ turnovers. The overwhelming majority of his seven giveaways were unforced errors, not the result of the Pelicans’ poor spacing. He had four turnovers in the fourth quarter alone.
These guys will tighten up. Theyre young.
We’re looking good with Zion/BI regardless of our current record. They will get better on defense.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:22 pm to P bean
Van Gundy is simply not that great of a coach. I am not sure why anyone believed that he'd be a good fit for this team, especially given the youth on the team. Look at the difference between this team and Phoenix last year? Monty got a ton of hate while here, but he's good with the young guys.
Van Gundy is an overrated blow-hard that simply has never been great. His time has passed and bringing him in was a mistake to date.
Van Gundy is an overrated blow-hard that simply has never been great. His time has passed and bringing him in was a mistake to date.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:44 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:Not sure I'm following this comparison as Phoenix started last season 11-20.
Look at the difference between this team and Phoenix last year? Monty got a ton of hate while here, but he's good with the young guys.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:54 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
It does give me some concern that Zion's BBIQ has been over hyped because he ball watches so hard
yeah i will say that a lot of my posts in the other thread were made with an assumption that Zion was "really smart" as coach K put it
if his BBIQ isn't what it was sold as, then that does change things a little
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