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Arguments for and against Nielson?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:29 am
I don't have a full assessment, aside from my observation that the best DC's are former LB or DB experts. They come from a player and/or coaching perspective, seeing more of the cerebral, big picture flow of pass coverage, which is essential in circa-now CFB.
Dline coaches are super important, but they are much less concerned with the big picture flow, and more about strength and technique.
Does Nielson also possess this essential experience?
Otherwise, I have the same concern i had for Pelini last year.
No, I'm not making a direct compare, just a general statement that CFB DEMANDS Keen and current knowledge and skills and experience coaching defenses from a big picture pass defense perspective of success.
OK...you get my point.
Please educate me on what Nielson has in this vital area.
Cause most folks seem to think Coach O is hiring him.
Dline coaches are super important, but they are much less concerned with the big picture flow, and more about strength and technique.
Does Nielson also possess this essential experience?
Otherwise, I have the same concern i had for Pelini last year.
No, I'm not making a direct compare, just a general statement that CFB DEMANDS Keen and current knowledge and skills and experience coaching defenses from a big picture pass defense perspective of success.
OK...you get my point.
Please educate me on what Nielson has in this vital area.
Cause most folks seem to think Coach O is hiring him.
This post was edited on 1/18/21 at 1:39 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:30 am to TigerBert
Argument for: I want.
Argument against: I do not, not want.
Argument against: I do not, not want.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:31 am to TigerBert
There are no arguments against
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:41 am to TigerBert
All that typing and has 0 impact on the decision.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:42 am to TigerBert
It would be a blind hire in my opinion. Don't know if he would be a good play caller. Will he blitz alot? Will he play mostly man or zone? Will he be a 4-3 or 3-4 guy. There's literally no info on Nielson other than he can develop DL
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:47 am to TigerBert
Argument for: well respected. Thought to have a shot at some nfl dc spots. Was known as a good recruiter. Does a good job coaching his guys. Said to be someone who can connect with players. Has been a dc once
Cons. Only a dc once a while ago at a smaller school.
I like the guy. Sure it is a risk. But you have to do your due diligence on him in talking. In the nfl all the main assts are involved in game planning. While maybe a college dline coach is more involved with recruiting the nfl assts don’t have to do this. This extra time is spent I meetings with your fellow assts and working on all aspects and how they can mesh.
Cons. Only a dc once a while ago at a smaller school.
I like the guy. Sure it is a risk. But you have to do your due diligence on him in talking. In the nfl all the main assts are involved in game planning. While maybe a college dline coach is more involved with recruiting the nfl assts don’t have to do this. This extra time is spent I meetings with your fellow assts and working on all aspects and how they can mesh.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:22 pm to TigerBert
Argument for: development of Trey Hendrickson
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:43 pm to TigerBert
Arguments for young up and comer have you seen the Saints defense of line this year has already been a DC coordinator at one point in his career pro experience will help recruiting defense of lineman arguments against it’s gonna be hard to keep him in a couple years.
This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:29 pm to TigerBert
Seems very rare to have a candidate with no risks or drawbacks. These are very few and far between on the DC side, people like Venables and Leonhard, who aren't going anywhere anyway.
While I'd be excited and optimistic if Nielsen came, the thing that jumps out to me as a possible risk/question mark is being a front 7 guy in this era of passing offenses. I would wonder if he would be up to the task of scheming in the passing game against a Sarkisian, now O'Brien, with Bama's absurd offensive talent. Similar question for going against Lincoln Riley in the CFP or even Kiffin if he's able to build his talent up.
While I'd be excited and optimistic if Nielsen came, the thing that jumps out to me as a possible risk/question mark is being a front 7 guy in this era of passing offenses. I would wonder if he would be up to the task of scheming in the passing game against a Sarkisian, now O'Brien, with Bama's absurd offensive talent. Similar question for going against Lincoln Riley in the CFP or even Kiffin if he's able to build his talent up.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:39 pm to TigerBert
For: Nielsen
Against: Neilson
Against: Neilson
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:51 pm to TigerBert
This is leap-of-faith 2.0. Like Pelini,you have to lean on baseless projections.
Sure, it could work. But, it's an outright leap-of-faith hire. Fittingly, he's a "Saint", so maybe that's supporters basis for their assessment.
After the Pelini travesty,and Coach O being inexperienced in the overall defensive scheme area, its a very unnessary risk.
If he's hired, I'll support him cause I love the Tigers, but prior to hiring him, the case is FAR from made by the responses in this post.
Sure, it could work. But, it's an outright leap-of-faith hire. Fittingly, he's a "Saint", so maybe that's supporters basis for their assessment.
After the Pelini travesty,and Coach O being inexperienced in the overall defensive scheme area, its a very unnessary risk.
If he's hired, I'll support him cause I love the Tigers, but prior to hiring him, the case is FAR from made by the responses in this post.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:57 pm to TigerBert
I don’t know much about Neilson. But I’d like to hear how people feel about Ryan Nielsen.
At least take the time to spell the man’s name correctly.
At least take the time to spell the man’s name correctly.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 2:02 pm to TigerBert
quote:
Arguments for
He looks to be elite when it comes to coaching Dline and stopping the run
quote:
Arguments against
I'm nervous about his inexperience with managing an entire defense that includes the secondary.
Especially coming off a season in which were dead last (aka 127th out of 127 teams) in passing defense.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:23 pm to TigerBert
Nelson has more experience calling a defense than Joe Brady had calling an offense...
Posted on 1/16/21 at 6:51 pm to TigerBert
For: we’re scrambling and need a DC who’s not a retread or a reject.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 5:39 pm to TigerBert
- PRO: He's probably not super-entrenched on a scheme. Which means he can utilize the players better based on what he has (very similar to what Peetz said). What system he prefers is definitely an interview point. But the answer they are looking for is probably along the lines of "against which team?".
- PRO: DL, like many position groups, have evolved in how they are used. It is no longer binary in the sense of "space eater" vs. "attack". He's most definitely experienced in that arena. But it bleeds over through the whole defense. For example, you want the right side penetrating and the left side eating blocks (both DT & DE) because of traits of the QB. That will determine what your LBs are doing or are responsible for, which will directly affect the S's, which means the DBs on one side vs. the other might be in zone (facing the QB) on the left side (since DL not penetrating) and loose man-man on the right. So someone with that modern whole-defense perspective rooted in the DL is a plus.
- CON: NFLers often have trouble in the meeting/film room. In the NFL your position group shows up when you say show up. In CFB one might skip the meeting, another has a test. You have to be more about planning your time and less demanding in CFB vs. the NFL. Otherwise you won't get your necessary film/analysis work done.
- NEUTRAL: recruiting. There's so much that goes into this and too many variables to say NFL can/can't recruit. You can't limit it to roots (only), geography (only), etc. etc.
- TBD CON: communication. I'm talking signals here. What works for him? Will that work for us? How many GA's does he need if on sideline or will a position group coach have to act as his signaler (potentially reducing sideline coaching for that group)? Will he be calling to position coaches and they signal their own position groups? In the end you have both limited communication means, literally, in CFB and less resources than the NFL. Will this be a big or small adjustment for him? And speed matters; this matters more than you might think at first. If you're like Kirby and have a package for every situation HUNH or just NH offenses cause you problems. So you either have to not do that, or be able to get your calls very very fast. One or the other.
- PRO: DL, like many position groups, have evolved in how they are used. It is no longer binary in the sense of "space eater" vs. "attack". He's most definitely experienced in that arena. But it bleeds over through the whole defense. For example, you want the right side penetrating and the left side eating blocks (both DT & DE) because of traits of the QB. That will determine what your LBs are doing or are responsible for, which will directly affect the S's, which means the DBs on one side vs. the other might be in zone (facing the QB) on the left side (since DL not penetrating) and loose man-man on the right. So someone with that modern whole-defense perspective rooted in the DL is a plus.
- CON: NFLers often have trouble in the meeting/film room. In the NFL your position group shows up when you say show up. In CFB one might skip the meeting, another has a test. You have to be more about planning your time and less demanding in CFB vs. the NFL. Otherwise you won't get your necessary film/analysis work done.
- NEUTRAL: recruiting. There's so much that goes into this and too many variables to say NFL can/can't recruit. You can't limit it to roots (only), geography (only), etc. etc.
- TBD CON: communication. I'm talking signals here. What works for him? Will that work for us? How many GA's does he need if on sideline or will a position group coach have to act as his signaler (potentially reducing sideline coaching for that group)? Will he be calling to position coaches and they signal their own position groups? In the end you have both limited communication means, literally, in CFB and less resources than the NFL. Will this be a big or small adjustment for him? And speed matters; this matters more than you might think at first. If you're like Kirby and have a package for every situation HUNH or just NH offenses cause you problems. So you either have to not do that, or be able to get your calls very very fast. One or the other.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:03 am to TigerBert
We are taking a calculated risk. What's the upside? We overcome our nausea, fall deeply in love, babies, normalcy, no more self-loathing. Downside... we date Nielsen publicly and collapse in on ourselves like a dying star.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 7:12 am to TigerBert
Pro - available now. Truthfully, I think he can be a fantastic hire. If he can generate a push from the line (simply by duplicating what he did at NC State) , imagine how much better C Raymond is gonna look.
Con - Ryan N is the only one who knows anything about his tendencies/opinions regarding in game adjustments.
Con - Ryan N is the only one who knows anything about his tendencies/opinions regarding in game adjustments.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 8:13 am to TigerBert
The real question at this point is whether Nielsen is going to go be the DC for that dumpster fire of a NFL team the Detroit Lions, or be the DC for LSU and help us win national championships. On top of that who in their right mind would want to have to live in Detroit during the football season??
I keep reading rumors that he is heading to the Lions with Dan Campbell, hopefully that is not accurate information.
I keep reading rumors that he is heading to the Lions with Dan Campbell, hopefully that is not accurate information.
Posted on 1/18/21 at 10:40 am to TigerBert
For: The Saints pass rush is pretty good. NC State had good defenses during his time there. He attributed to that. Co Defensive Coordinator at a successful Mid Major, Northern ILL. DC at Central Conn. State. Successful team. Coaches with O for Ole Miss. * Everywhere he has been he has produced some pretty good d lines.
Against: Lack of top level competition as a DC. I mean he has had the chance to learn from some bright minds in NO..
We have done well with getting Saints coaches
It seems like O missed on freeman. How many times do you continue to miss. I assume that it is job to take.
Against: Lack of top level competition as a DC. I mean he has had the chance to learn from some bright minds in NO..
We have done well with getting Saints coaches
It seems like O missed on freeman. How many times do you continue to miss. I assume that it is job to take.
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