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re: Why did O want to switch to a 4-3
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:30 am to ibleedprplngld
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:30 am to ibleedprplngld
It is easier to recruit D linemen to play a 4-3.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:35 am to ibleedprplngld
No team runs 4-3 or 3-4 anymore against the spread. It’s either 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 depending on what your base defense is.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:48 am to PowahCajun
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1. A dominating front four generates a pass rush without having to blitz at all.
While I agree with this 100%, the issue we have now is if you run a 4-2-5 with the spread concepts we are facing these days, the underneath route/rub route/slot drag is wiiiiiide open on about 90% of the pass attempts. The LB’s needed to run that defense aren’t able to cover in space like a 3-4. Just look at the sheer number of LB’s we have put in the league the last 5-6 years vs years past. Maybe we weren’t putting the D Lineman in the NFL but it’s ridiculous the LB’s we have put out that were basically Day One starters.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:51 am to Fus0623
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You have to understand playing defense in today’s college football has evolved immensely. You gonna give up yards and points, it something fans have to accept. It is about getting the stops and turnovers in the most opportune moments. LSU’s defense did that in spades last year
LSU’s defense is was non-existent in the second half vs Texas last year. Bama scored TD’s every time they touched the ball in the second half. Florida scored TD’s four of the first five possessions and had the ball at the 15 yard line with a chance to tie in the 4Q when they got cute on third and 1 and Trask forced a pass that Stingley picked in the end zone.
Until the Arkansas game, the defense was below average with the exception of the Auburn game.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:53 am to ibleedprplngld
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I mean from a philosophical stand point. Yes, he wanted an “attacking style” defense. That’s all fine and dandy, but why a 4-3 in a league full of spread offenses? I don’t know if any of the top rated defenses in the league run a 4-3.
The goal is to get an effective 4 man pass rush. We did that but the backend fell apart. This scheme is extremely reliant on LB's and safeties to diagnose the play as run/pass very quickly. That is why "eye candy" killed us.
The other goal is to generate more TO's. We did that too but again we gave up more big plays than we normally would in 3 seasons combined.
I am not a proponent of either system but you have to pick a scheme and man up for it. Also, to answer your question... Bama runs a 4-3 base and they get gashed at times too.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:06 am to geauxtigers33
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:26 am to wildtigercat93
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We had a good defense all of 1 year ago
Texas scored 38
Vandy scored 38
Ole Miss scored 37
We will just have to agree to disagree about that being called a good defense.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:31 am to ibleedprplngld
Because it's what O knows. I personally think 3-4 gives more flexibility with today's game. Also there are very few game changing defensive lineman. I'd rather have a 3-4.. O is a defensive line coach that wants to see linemen make plays.
I'd much prefer 3-4 with Shelvin and Ika and hybrid lbs like Cox for today's game
I'd much prefer 3-4 with Shelvin and Ika and hybrid lbs like Cox for today's game
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:33 am to ibleedprplngld
For one thing, Louisiana tends to produce alot more 4-3 DE than 3-4 DE and true nose guards.
But he wanted 4 dl mainly to give the flexibility of being attacking with them but being able to play mutiple variations against the spread.
But he wanted 4 dl mainly to give the flexibility of being attacking with them but being able to play mutiple variations against the spread.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:37 am to Dstllsu
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Because it's what O knows. I personally think 3-4 gives more flexibility with today's game.
Today’s college game is more like the NFL offensively. On defense, it’s the unblock-able DE’s that NFL teams are turning to. The Saints among others in the playoffs, are a great example.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:43 am to Run DMC
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the issue we have now is if you run a 4-2-5 with the spread concepts we are facing these days, the underneath route/rub route/slot drag is wiiiiiide open on about 90% of the pass attempts
You realize a 4-2-5 is not the same as nicle right?
A true 4-2-5 has 2 safeties lined up like really wide outside linebackers.
And what you are talking about is a simple coverage adjustment. You can play any coverage out of the 4-2-5 that you could with the 4-3,3-4, nickel etc.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:51 am to ibleedprplngld
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That’s all fine and dandy, but why a 4-3 in a league full of spread offenses? I don’t know if any of the top rated defenses in the league run a 4-3.
Completely untrue.
Go look up "4-3 against spread offense"
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Why did O want to switch to a 4-3
We play majority in Nickel.
4-3 is just the base of defensive build/depth.
When people say they run a 4-3 or 3-4, it doesn't mean literally 100% of the time.
In fact, most teams run these 10% or less of the time.
It comes down to this simple strategy:
Defense matches the number of DBs to number of WRs the offense brings on the field for each play.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 10:59 am to alumni95
It was very good in the 2019 CFP when it mattered the most against playoff caliber teams.
The defense stepped up big when the pressure was on the most in the biggest games.
That being said, a 4 man front should land us more of the best D-lineman in high school football. Having the best defensive lineman is always a good thing, and never a bad thing.
The defense stepped up big when the pressure was on the most in the biggest games.
That being said, a 4 man front should land us more of the best D-lineman in high school football. Having the best defensive lineman is always a good thing, and never a bad thing.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 11:12 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:11 am to ibleedprplngld
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It was a basic 4-3 with 3-4 personnel and it showed.
Depth-wise maybe. But have good WDE and DTs for a 4-3. Our SDE needs to improve. But O basically likes having 4 men with hands in the dirt because we couldn’t get home with 3 a lot last year.
LB is TBD. I would’ve like to see Sampah And White some this year. If they played, I didn’t notice.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:11 am to ibleedprplngld
4-3 is antiquated against modern offenses, and due to the physical nature of players required to effectively use a 4-3, it's difficult to recruit for. HS defenses have adapted to HS spread offenses. You don't find that many high schools playing 4-3 any more.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:14 am to ibleedprplngld
It was bullshite, if understandable, spin, a manufactured way to make it sound like we were gaining something by losing Aranda and adding Pelini.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:41 am to TrueTigerTale
That became is Heisman Finalist. Task is a pretty good player snd Mullens is a great play caller. Get all the facts out there.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:49 am to ibleedprplngld
Scheme is more than just personnel. It's gap assignments, where the pressure levers are, how the edges are set, etc.
Yes, you recruit/develop personnel to fit the scheme you're running, but you don't "just" run a 3-4 because you have 3-4 personnel - it's the other way around.
Now, having said that - the number of down linemen is also a relatively academic point - whether or not you show a "zero" look, 2 or 3 down, 4 down or whatever, it is the reads/reaction, gap filling, flow to the ball, etc., that is far more important.
Defensive football is relatively complex compared to offenses - it is what is happening between the ears - particularly of the linebackers, safeties and nickels that is far, far more important than how many guys have their hands on the ground at the snap.
Yes, you recruit/develop personnel to fit the scheme you're running, but you don't "just" run a 3-4 because you have 3-4 personnel - it's the other way around.
Now, having said that - the number of down linemen is also a relatively academic point - whether or not you show a "zero" look, 2 or 3 down, 4 down or whatever, it is the reads/reaction, gap filling, flow to the ball, etc., that is far more important.
Defensive football is relatively complex compared to offenses - it is what is happening between the ears - particularly of the linebackers, safeties and nickels that is far, far more important than how many guys have their hands on the ground at the snap.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:53 am to ibleedprplngld
You realize 4-2-5 are 4-3 defenses.
If you come out with 2 TE and. Fullback they don’t try and trot out a nickle
If you come out with 2 TE and. Fullback they don’t try and trot out a nickle
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 11:59 am to SammyTiger
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You realize 4-2-5 are 4-3 defenses.
No they are not. Jesus.
The 4-2-5 involves having 2 bigger safeties playing similar to really wide outside line backers. 2 linebackers stacked over the DTs. 3 safeties total. 1 over the top with 2 CBs.
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