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Why did O want to switch to a 4-3
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:18 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:18 am
I mean from a philosophical stand point. Yes, he wanted an “attacking style” defense. That’s all fine and dandy, but why a 4-3 in a league full of spread offenses? I don’t know if any of the top rated defenses in the league run a 4-3. There are some that have gone the hybrid approach with more of 4-2-5. But rarely, even in college football as a whole, do you see a true 4-3 defenses be successful. Is it because that’s the scheme he knows? Is it his way of “making his mark” on the team?
I’ll be honest, I thought Pelini wasn’t a bad hire. Thought we paid too much, but figured a guy with his resume surely had some variations of the defenses he ran back in the day that were so great. But he didn’t. It was a basic 4-3 with 3-4 personnel and it showed.
I’ll be honest, I thought Pelini wasn’t a bad hire. Thought we paid too much, but figured a guy with his resume surely had some variations of the defenses he ran back in the day that were so great. But he didn’t. It was a basic 4-3 with 3-4 personnel and it showed.
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Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:20 am to ibleedprplngld
We ran 4-2-5 mostly
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:23 am to Tigerpride18
Because there are mostly spread offenses in the league. That’s why I pose the question.
If you’re in nickel or dime 90% of the time, wtf is the point? You’re just making it more complicated on the kids.
If you’re in nickel or dime 90% of the time, wtf is the point? You’re just making it more complicated on the kids.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:27 am to ibleedprplngld
LSU’s defensive struggles this season have zero to do with the number of defensive linemen with their hands in the dirt. The issues were in the LB and secondary specifically safety. Those issues would have happened no matter what scheme you ran.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:27 am to ibleedprplngld
4 down lineman for a better pass rush.
I’d take Aranda back in a second but if there was one fair criticism of his defense it was never able to generate much of a rush.
I’d take Aranda back in a second but if there was one fair criticism of his defense it was never able to generate much of a rush.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:28 am to ibleedprplngld
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Why did O want to switch to a 4-3
When LSU had just a ground and pound offense under Miles our defenses were stout. Sometimes would get burned, now LSU can’t stop anything. And can’t seem to get it’s defense back on track. Is it the scheme or DC?
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:29 am to TrueTigerTale
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When LSU had just a ground and pound offense under Miles our defenses were stout. Sometimes would get burned, now LSU can’t stop anything. And can’t seem to it’s defense back on track. Is it the scheme or DC?
We had a good defense all of 1 year ago with the most prolific offense of all time what are you talking about
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:30 am to ibleedprplngld
Two primary reasons IMO:
It’s what he’s known majority of his coaching career going back to Jimmy Johnson years of dominant defenses at Miami and reinforced with Pete at USC.
Secondly, he has a little insecure streak with Aranda and his success. O really wanted this years D to be better for the I told you so factor. This explains all the shade thrown past summer at Aranda. Those comments were very poorly handled and in the coaching world makes hiring more difficult for him.
It’s what he’s known majority of his coaching career going back to Jimmy Johnson years of dominant defenses at Miami and reinforced with Pete at USC.
Secondly, he has a little insecure streak with Aranda and his success. O really wanted this years D to be better for the I told you so factor. This explains all the shade thrown past summer at Aranda. Those comments were very poorly handled and in the coaching world makes hiring more difficult for him.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:31 am to LSURep864
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I’d take Aranda back in a second but if there was one fair criticism of his defense it was never able to generate much of a rush.
Yes but that was more of his style than because he ran a 3-4. His style was more read and react. O wants more of a get in the backfield and cause havoc. Both styles can work in college football.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:35 am to wildtigercat93
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We had a good defense all of 1 year ago with the most prolific offense of all time what are you talking about
Fla scored 21 in the first half against LSU one year ago in Tiger Stadium with a first time starter QB who had never even started in high school!
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 8:36 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:38 am to TrueTigerTale
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When LSU had just a ground and pound offense under Miles our defenses were stout. Sometimes would get burned, now LSU can’t stop anything. And can’t seem to get it’s defense back on track. Is it the scheme or DC?
While I agree our defenses were pretty stout during the Miles era, the game was different. Nobody lines up and tries to ram it down your throat. Every team in the SEC has far more spread concepts than even 5 years ago.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 8:42 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:38 am to ibleedprplngld
I think it was primarily due to the difficulty attracting top DL. Going back to Marvin Wilson who really wanted to go to LSU but in the end said he didn't want to be a space eater in a 3-4.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:38 am to ibleedprplngld
I think it’s the 4-man D-line he wanted, rather than the 3 linebackers. We mainly ran a 4-2-5. In truth, it seems Louisiana produces more DBs/safeties and true D-lineman year after year, as opposed to outside linebackers like Arden Key or Chaisson. A 4-2-5 should be a good defense against the spread, and I think it’s easier for us to recruit for.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:41 am to ibleedprplngld
There are several logical reasons.
1. A dominating front four generates a pass rush without having to blitz at all.
2. A four man D-line is going to be the most attractive defensive line front to the best pass rushing recruits in high school football in the country.
3. With a dominating pass rush that allows no more than 2-3 seconds before the opposing QB has to get rid of the football, you are severely limiting the type of passing plays they can run. If all they have time to run is short pass patterns you are essentially eliminating the long passing game. Like I said before, no QB can throw the ball from his back.
Look at the best defensive lines in the history of the NFL, the majority of them were four man defensive lines. A dominating pass rush can hide a multitude of other problems very effectively. If you have a pass rush like we are going to have on paper, plus the safeties coming in, and our current CB's, we should have a hell of a defense in 2021.
1. A dominating front four generates a pass rush without having to blitz at all.
2. A four man D-line is going to be the most attractive defensive line front to the best pass rushing recruits in high school football in the country.
3. With a dominating pass rush that allows no more than 2-3 seconds before the opposing QB has to get rid of the football, you are severely limiting the type of passing plays they can run. If all they have time to run is short pass patterns you are essentially eliminating the long passing game. Like I said before, no QB can throw the ball from his back.
Look at the best defensive lines in the history of the NFL, the majority of them were four man defensive lines. A dominating pass rush can hide a multitude of other problems very effectively. If you have a pass rush like we are going to have on paper, plus the safeties coming in, and our current CB's, we should have a hell of a defense in 2021.
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:41 am to BayouCowboy
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I think it was primarily due to the difficulty attracting top DL. Going
Crazy for a team with a history like LSU but true!
This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 8:43 am
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:41 am to BayouCowboy
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Going back to Marvin Wilson who really wanted to go to LSU but in the end said he didn't want to be a space eater in a 3-4.
And the reason you had any shot with the number one recruit in the country this season is because of the 4 d lineman. He wants to be a hand in the dirt DE.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 8:56 am to TrueTigerTale
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Fla scored 21 in the first half against LSU one year ago in Tiger Stadium with a first time starter QB who had never even started in high school!
You have to understand playing defense in today’s college football has evolved immensely. You gonna give up yards and points, it something fans have to accept. It is about getting the stops and turnovers in the most opportune moments. LSU’s defense did that in spades last year
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:01 am to Fus0623
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LSU’s defense did that in spades last year
LSU defense in 2020 had the same amount of turnovers as LSU in 2019 in 5 less games. The style O wants is attacking and leads to more turnovers. Aranda’s biggest fault as a DC is his teams didn’t pressure the QB or force turnovers very well. He was great pretty much everywhere else but those two things is what O wants the most and why he was ok with icing on from Aranda.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:08 am to Fus0623
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You have to understand playing defense in today’s college football has evolved immensely. You gonna give up yards and points, it something fans have to accept. It is about getting the stops and turnovers in the most opportune moments. LSU’s defense did that in spades last year
^^ THIS ^^
The new offenses can pretty much only be stopped inside the 25, where space becomes limited, and so does the playbook. The game now is make a stop there and hold to a field goal attempt. Or create a turnover somewhere. Yards will just be a given - all good offenses will get them.
Posted on 12/27/20 at 9:15 am to ibleedprplngld
O made his name recruiting and coaching great DL players that were causing havoc in the backfield and getting picked in the first round of the draft. He wanted to get back to that
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