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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:23 pm to lovepurplelivegold14
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:23 pm to lovepurplelivegold14
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I really think y’all have to let go Demps.
This is what I think we're getting a lot of. Demps had no margin for error so we had to nitpick every last aspect of every deal. I don't think there's ever been a team as well set up for long term success as the Pels. Griff has a rock solid foundation to build on, it's not a house of cards like Demps built.
If you look at it from a big picture perspective the Pels turned Jrue/Favors into comparable players in Bledsoe/Adams while adding multiple 1sts and swaps. I don't want Griff to be wasteful with the war chest, but if the Zion era fails, it won't be because we chose Steven Adams over Baynes, Hill and a late 1st.
I also think a lot of the people arguing for quantity now would be viewing this trade completely differently if it was Myles Turner coming back instead of Steven Adams. I get why they value a Stretch 5 more, I just think they are too myopic in their quest for the perfect front court and really undervalue a more traditional center like Adams in the process.
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:26 pm to Townedrunkard
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This is true but they also had a number of people on here saying Griffin keeping Okafor instead of Wood was stupid and we all see how that turned out this year....
Yep, lot of dumb reflexively defensive takes back in that thread too.
LINK
LINK
And the guy many of these people piling on here were piling onto in that thread:
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Turns out a year later Okafor was in fact not the right choice, not an ideal fit, and Wood is one of the most highly prized big men free agents that most analysts consider a great fit in modern NBA offenses with his combination of solid length, athleticism to run the floor, creating off the dribble, driving, overall hustle, and ability to stretch the floor. Who showed increased promise and dedication to improving defensively.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:28 pm to Bronc
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Pels fans when we are constructing a team only worry about how it fits offensively
But then they spend the whole season bitching about defense
Weird dynamic
Very, very true from Mac.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:30 pm to duyp
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We released Christian Woods because he asked the team. Since he won’t be having any play time here
Griffin made that call. He had to decide between Okafor and Wood. He chose the wrong one.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:35 pm to TigerinATL
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also think a lot of the people arguing for quantity now would be viewing this trade completely differently if it was Myles Turner coming back instead of Steven Adams. I get why they value a Stretch 5 more, I just think they are too myopic in their quest for the perfect front court and really undervalue a more traditional center like Adams in the process.
You told me last year about my correct Christian Wood assessment basically the same thing. Trust Girff, buy in fully or get out were your paraphrased words.
So no offense, but since you led with an insult, maybe some of you lecturing about the Pels big men choices should humble yourselves a bit before throwing aspersions around.
Of course I would be more ok with a first and George Hill for a cost controlled, 10 million dollar cheaper, younger, stretch five that can protect the rim at an elite level and is still years from his peak and slots perfectly in our time schedule around Zion/Ingram. I’m not sure how that is even a question. Adams is a fine center, but I don’t think he is the answer, and will ultimately be somewhere else, or in a smaller role thats easily filled by vets when we are at our peak, so it’s not a move I would make.
Had my intuition been followed that people like you railed against me for last season, this off-season would be about giving Wood 14 million for three years or trading a first rounder and a valuable trade asset for an expiring 27 million dollar center that we may not be able to retain that is not a natural fit offensively with our team or on our likely time schedule.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:40 pm to Bronc
the best comment i saw in that thread
and it even applies here with the "asset" discussion like some 2nd rounders
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Chill with the dramatics. We are talking about at best the 15th best guy on our roster.
and it even applies here with the "asset" discussion like some 2nd rounders
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:43 pm to Bronc
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that can protect the rim at an elite level
i need some data for this claim
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:49 pm to Townedrunkard
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Griffin made that call. He had to decide between Okafor and Wood. He chose the wrong one.
Okafor barely played. When we got Favors, that was when Woods requested it.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i need some data for this claim
LINK /
DFG % less than 6ft, 19-20
Turner: 51.1%
Adams: 53.9%
For comparison
Gobert: 48.4%
Favors: 59.9%
Edit: corrected numbers here and added Favors
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
We would be demolished defensively with Wood and Zion
And look, give a guy with a little talent a high usage rate on a 20 win team, he’s going to put up numbers. People will be saying HOU overpaid when they look at the stat sheet and Harden and Westbrook are dominating every look
And look, give a guy with a little talent a high usage rate on a 20 win team, he’s going to put up numbers. People will be saying HOU overpaid when they look at the stat sheet and Harden and Westbrook are dominating every look
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:58 pm to Bronc
oh i thought you were talking about Christian Wood
i've been the biggest Myles Turner fan on this board, but it doesn't seem like Indy is willing to deal him here
i've been the biggest Myles Turner fan on this board, but it doesn't seem like Indy is willing to deal him here
Posted on 11/21/20 at 1:59 pm to GynoSandberg
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We would be demolished defensively with Wood and Zion
yeah wood sucks arse on D. he was talking about myles, apparently
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And look, give a guy with a little talent a high usage rate on a 20 win team, he’s going to put up numbers.
yeah i was going to say wood is a big stats on a bad team guy. he'd be perfect playing next to whiteside
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:00 pm to Bronc
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Of course I would be more ok with a first and George Hill for a cost controlled, 10 million dollar cheaper, younger, stretch five that can protect the rim at an elite level and is still years from his peak and slots perfectly in our time schedule around Zion/Ingram.
Should’ve just signed AD for the vet minimum.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:04 pm to southdowns84
yeah i love these posts talking about the 5s we should be going after and there are like 3-4 of them in the NBA
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:11 pm to TigerinATL
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This is what I think we're getting a lot of. Demps had no margin for error so we had to nitpick every last aspect of every deal. I don't think there's ever been a team as well set up for long term success as the Pels. Griff has a rock solid foundation to build on, it's not a house of cards like Demps built.
I agree with this. Think a lot of people still have ptsd from Demps and his Willy nilly giving away of firsts including me. I like Adams and he may be a decent fit on this team. I just don’t like giving decent assets away for someone that may or not be in our future plan with his salary at a position that is severely devalued now after one year.
Like I said Drummond who is better than Adams could only fetch a 2nd and they will both be fa’s next year. When u consider what we gave up, it’s a bad trade even if we could ‘afford’ the costs
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:13 pm to GynoSandberg
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We would be demolished defensively with Wood and Zion
In the alternate universe you could have signed Favors or likely Thompson or Baynes and Wood for less than what Adams will cost.
Hate to break it to you, but no center minus maybe Gobert was fixing that defense last year.
Our long term defensive potential is going to continue to be locked into what our young guys can give: Lonzo, Zion, Ingram, and now Kira. Hopefully with better coaching and another year under their belts, that can push us into the top half of the league defensively without sacrificing too much offensively, but I’m not thinking we’ll be putting fear into offenses any season soon.
As for Wood, people should really stop doubting him at this point. A year ago he was trash not worth thinking about according to most here. Griff the lord and savior knows all. Maybe, just maybe, this is one of those times were people can say, you know what, I was wrong, guy has done nothing but prove doubters wrong so why do I continue to be a hater?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:17 pm to Townedrunkard
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Dwight Howard, Tristan Thompson, Baynes, whiteside, Ibaka, Myers Leonard, biyimbo, Dedmond etc.
All nowhere near as good as Adams, and most would have wanted longer term deals.
Y'all are trying to look at this in a vacuum and pull a piece here or there to bitch about.
Taken as a hole this is a slam dunk move for a team that DESPERATELY needed a center, and got one of the better ones.
We have scorers. We needed that tough paint beast to clean the glass and rough people up.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:21 pm to southdowns84
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Should’ve just signed AD for the vet minimum.
Seriously do some of you all read the posts you all respond to or just rush to farm likes and troll?
Tiger mentioned people being unhappy this trade didn’t net us Myles and instead got Adams and that being a sign of a myopic perspective. Implying that such a trade is in fact equal. I disagree and explained why.
If you think the assets this trade fetched isn’t enough to get Turner, and I would likely agree you, take it up with Tiger
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:23 pm to Townedrunkard
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Drummond who is better than Adams could only fetch a 2nd a
Adams plays more winning basketball and doesn't have the attitude Drummond does
Posted on 11/21/20 at 2:25 pm to Bronc
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Seriously do some of you all read the posts you all respond to or just rush to farm likes and troll?
Tiger mentioned people being unhappy this trade didn’t net us Myles and instead got Adams and that being a sign of a myopic perspective. Implying that such a trade is in fact equal. I disagree and explained why.
If you think the assets this trade fetched isn’t enough to get Turner, and I would likely agree you, take it up with Tiger
That doesn’t excuse you from making absurd claims to support your explanation.
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