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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:20 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:20 pm to shel311
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The draft picks, that's the argument. Adams and his contract shouldn't command 3 draft picks, that's the argument, and that is it.
Yea I still don’t get this. We got Favors for a 2nd as an expiring. And Drummond is in the same class as Adams and got traded only for a second and two throw away players. He had an extra year on his contract but still. A first and two seconds and a positive asset (
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:21 pm to shel311
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I don't think Adams and his contract is a net positive value
His contract doesn’t matter. At worst it’s a net neutral
In the framework of the trade they gave some low value picks to bring in a guy to build on their vision
There really isn’t risk here
And the value is not uneven
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:21 pm to Bronc
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potentially having to sign Lonzo to a big contract.
Fvck that.
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If Adams lives up to the hype, he’ll have every contender that needs a big man after him, driving up his price.
Not really. He’s not that guy.
He likely either works out better than Favors or leaves for a slightly better deal than we are willing to offer. Or Hayes accelerates his progression and center is no longer much a need.
Either way, we’re better off with Adams this year than signing a guy like Favors to a 3 year deal.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:23 pm to Townedrunkard
Adams is way better than Favors.
Drummond isn't quite the same scenario, but I can see somewhat of a point to that.
But the 1st is lottery protected, so the value isn't all that much more than a 2nd anyway.
Drummond isn't quite the same scenario, but I can see somewhat of a point to that.
But the 1st is lottery protected, so the value isn't all that much more than a 2nd anyway.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:25 pm to shel311
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Focus is on Adams and his value.
This is the problem.
The focus shouldn’t be on Adams, but rather what it would cost to acquire his alternative.
It’s not that Griffin values Adams as much as it is that Griffin values flexibility.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:30 pm to bonethug0180
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But the 1st is lottery protected, so the value isn't all that much more than a 2nd anyway.
Adams isn't worth what we gave up based on other center trades plain and simple. The Pels identified a player they wanted and did what they had to do to get him. We have a surplus of picks so it wasn't a big deal if you look at it that way. OKC didn't have to make a move, they had no reason to take on added years of salary. They needed some incentive to make the deal and thats what happened. Overall I like the return and lets see what SVG can bring to the team.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:33 pm to dj30
frickin this
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:35 pm to GynoSandberg
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Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks by GynoSandberg
frickin this
All of it.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:39 pm to shel311
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Yes, in the context I've pointed out.
the context of extending an implicit high value to picks while pretending you aren't talking about the value of picks?
the statement "adams isn't worth 3 draft picks" only makes sense if you're assessing the value of those picks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:39 pm to southdowns84
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It’s not that Griffin values Adams as much as it is that Griffin values flexibility.
That’s cool, but they have a number of centers I would have been fine with that the market will dry up on soon and we could have gotten cheap, on a one year deal so they can try and make more in fa next year.
Dwight Howard, Tristan Thompson, Baynes, whiteside, Ibaka, Myers Leonard, biyimbo, Dedmond etc.
Pretty much like it was said earlier in a post, and what Mcnamera said, not a great idea putting a lot of yiur resource in a center u less it’sa difference maker like Jokic
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:39 pm to GynoSandberg
Every last bit of it
They only want to understand what can be quantified by stats
They only want to understand what can be quantified by stats
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:40 pm to southdowns84
Part of how this should be viewed, imho, is replacement value.
Hill wasn’t staying and may have been an asset but not a huge one.
Miller was pure trade ballast. Dumping him freed up about $7m in dead space.
The Denver pick was lottery protected and they went to the WCF last season. That is likely 2 bad seconds or a late 20s pick. The same thing we basically had this year and flipped back a year before this trade.
The real value in this trade is the two future seconds and it really depends on how valuable Washington and Cleveland picks are about 4-5 years down the line. Early 2nds are good value picks but by the same token this league changes so fast that they may not become early 2nds.
Gotta cash in your assets at some point to get what you want and, by that token, Griffin seems to have done it. This sets us up for this season and potentially long term depending on whether we resign Adams or flip him at the deadline to someone looking to offload long term money.
Hill wasn’t staying and may have been an asset but not a huge one.
Miller was pure trade ballast. Dumping him freed up about $7m in dead space.
The Denver pick was lottery protected and they went to the WCF last season. That is likely 2 bad seconds or a late 20s pick. The same thing we basically had this year and flipped back a year before this trade.
The real value in this trade is the two future seconds and it really depends on how valuable Washington and Cleveland picks are about 4-5 years down the line. Early 2nds are good value picks but by the same token this league changes so fast that they may not become early 2nds.
Gotta cash in your assets at some point to get what you want and, by that token, Griffin seems to have done it. This sets us up for this season and potentially long term depending on whether we resign Adams or flip him at the deadline to someone looking to offload long term money.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Incorrect and already explained multiple times.
the context of extending an implicit high value to picks while pretending you aren't talking about the value of picks?
the statement "adams isn't worth 3 draft picks" only makes sense if you're assessing the value of those picks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:42 pm to teke184
The reason why we got Favors for a 2nd is because he wanted to come here. UTAH did him a favor.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:42 pm to Townedrunkard
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Mcnamera said, not a great idea putting a lot of yiur resource in a center u less it’sa difference maker like Jokic
Good thing they haven’t
They took tier 3 pieces of the Jrue trade to make this move lol
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:44 pm to Townedrunkard
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That’s cool, but they have a number of centers I would have been fine with that the market will dry up on soon and we could have gotten cheap, on a one year deal so they can try and make more in fa next year.
Dwight Howard, Tristan Thompson, Baynes, whiteside, Ibaka, Myers Leonard, biyimbo, Dedmond etc.
Yeah, if we could’ve gotten Ibaka or Myers Leonard on a reasonable deal you’re absolutely right.
I’m not sure that was possible though.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:45 pm to teke184
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The real value in this trade is the two future seconds and it really depends on how valuable Washington and Cleveland picks are about 4-5 years down the line. Early 2nds are good value picks but by the same token this league changes so fast that they may not become early 2nds.
The frp was bad enough but you are right. Two teams that routinely pick in the top 5 and more likely than not to be picking there again in 5 years. And most fans think they will trade off Hill for another bad contract and get yet another first. Either way, that’s four decent assets for an expiring overpaid big....
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:46 pm to Townedrunkard
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That’s cool, but they have a number of centers I would have been fine with that the market will dry up on soon and we could have gotten cheap, on a one year deal so they can try and make more in fa next year.
Dwight Howard, Tristan Thompson, Baynes, whiteside, Ibaka, Myers Leonard, biyimbo, Dedmond etc.
Pretty much like it was said earlier in a post, and what Mcnamera said, not a great idea putting a lot of yiur resource in a center u less it’sa difference maker like Jokic
You really think any of these centers will come here for a year deal? They rather go to contenders or get PAID (Ibaka). Adams is better than all of them and can help us out. If you’re really upset about second round picks, look how many picks was sold this year.
That last paragraph was hard to read, but 3 second rounders isn’t a lot of assets to get a superstar. Unreal that y’all are thinking we gave a ton of firsts or something for Adams.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Good thing they haven’t
They took tier 3 pieces of the Jrue trade to make this move lol
i legit don't get what people are upset about
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:47 pm to GynoSandberg
Most people aren't arguing against this. Just the ones talking about stretch 5/ Frank Kaminsky talk someone was talking about yesterday.
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