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re: Graduates of Service Academies or military colleges
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to lsupride87
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to lsupride87
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Military academies are looking for every smart, but still normal humans
Care just as much about being well-rounded and having family connections as much as they care about test scores and GPAs.
At least in my experience with friends that attended West Point and Naval Academy.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to lsupride87
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It is harder to get into the Ivy schools than the service academies
Depends on how good your sob story is, but in general I agree.
The congressional recommendation thing isn't all that hard to get anymore. I don't even think you necessarily have to be a constituent of the guy making the recommendation. I also think that 20 years of real, brutal combat have kind of altered the calculus for a lot of top high school grads.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:26 am to GentleJackJones
I went to the Citadel when it was all male. It was one of the smartest decisions I've ever made. As an ADD kid, I wouldn't have survived academically at a traditional college/university. Too many distractions.
Compared to a regular college/university and in a single word, day to day life sucked. But after a while, you become use to it and it's just part of the experience. On the flip side, it definitely gives you a thick skin on how to deal with BS in your daily life.
The reality is, you don't know what you are missing at a traditional college. The idea that you are part of something more than yourself was very gratifying. That's not to say we didn't have fun, you just had to be more creative way. I'll add this as well. Being locked on a dry campus 4.75 out 7 days a week leads to binge drinking in a lot of folks. They feel like they have to get a weeks worth in in 2.25 days...
Compared to a regular college/university and in a single word, day to day life sucked. But after a while, you become use to it and it's just part of the experience. On the flip side, it definitely gives you a thick skin on how to deal with BS in your daily life.
The reality is, you don't know what you are missing at a traditional college. The idea that you are part of something more than yourself was very gratifying. That's not to say we didn't have fun, you just had to be more creative way. I'll add this as well. Being locked on a dry campus 4.75 out 7 days a week leads to binge drinking in a lot of folks. They feel like they have to get a weeks worth in in 2.25 days...
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:27 am to slacker130
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Hard to say, but with the service academies, you need a congressional recommendation. If you're in a populous area, you're going to have more competition for those limited recs.
Fun fact: Al Capone's accountant was persuaded to turn state's evidence in part on the promise of a Naval Academy appointment for his son. It got him whacked, but his son, Edward "Butch" O'Hare became a naval aviator who was awarded the Medal of Honor and for whom O'Hare airport in Chicago is named.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:29 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Who makes the best Marine Corps officers: Naval Academy, NROTC, or OCS Quantico?
Want to know the real answer?
The Marine Enlisted Commissioning Program (MECEP). Those guys had their $#!+ in a pile.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:29 am to GentleJackJones
The Citadel and the Institute have both been gutted. They are not what they used to be.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:38 am to Jim Rockford
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Al Capone's accountant was persuaded to turn state's evidence in part on the promise of a Naval Academy appointment for his son.
He was a lawyer for Capone, but yeah.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:44 am to Lonnie Utah
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Want to know the real answer?
The Marine Enlisted Commissioning Program (MECEP). Those guys had their $#!+ in a pile.
I thought you might say the commissioned officers of the Marine Band.
Until recently, I didn't realize that the members of the official Marine Band don't go through any sort of recruit training. I mean, their auditions for the band are pretty rigorous, but it's very weird that the one branch who takes the most pride in their enlisted/officer training allows musicians to get in with just an audition process.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:51 am to CharlesLSU
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You also have to have congressional recommendation from a senator.
a Congressman will do
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:59 am to blueridgeTiger
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I received my appointment through my local congressman
I knew you had to have a recommendation, but can you get a state senator or rep to vouch for you? Or, being national academies, does it have to be a senator or rep who works in DC for the US Senate or House?
ETA I have an idea because it seems pretty obvious, but would like to confirm my theory...
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:03 am to GentleJackJones
Tell em to go to King’s Point. Will be easy to get into and you only have to join the weekend navy after you get out. And he will be able to make decent money as soon as he graduates
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:03 am to GentleJackJones
I have a degree from Norwich, which is sort of like New England’s version of VMI or the Citadel. I was not military track though (medical disqualification).
I’ll tell you this... their alumni organization is legit. They are all about working connections and alumni involvement. If LSU ever copied their model, we would be unstoppable.
I’ll tell you this... their alumni organization is legit. They are all about working connections and alumni involvement. If LSU ever copied their model, we would be unstoppable.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:06 am to GentleJackJones
My father in law went to the Naval Academy. He absolutely loved it and has very strong friendships with his classmates to this day.
I'm an Army officer and know many, many officers who went to West Point. They are proud of going, but their experiences were different. They all said they had very little freedom and many would have considered other options had they known.
I'm an Army officer and know many, many officers who went to West Point. They are proud of going, but their experiences were different. They all said they had very little freedom and many would have considered other options had they known.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:09 am to UndercoverBryologist
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I thought you might say the commissioned officers of the Marine Band.
Until recently, I didn't realize that the members of the official Marine Band don't go through any sort of recruit training. I mean, their auditions for the band are pretty rigorous, but it's very weird that the one branch who takes the most pride in their enlisted/officer training allows musicians to get in with just an audition process.
Army bandsmen do go through Basic, or at least did at one time. My dad had one in his Basic training platoon. Poor guy injured his hand in a freak accident, couldn't play the trumpet any more and got a medical discharge.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:10 am to tiger91
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they all had legislative help from their state rep/senator to get in.
I thought a legislative appointment was required, not help
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:11 am to IAmNERD
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does it have to be a senator or rep who works in DC for the US Senate or House?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:12 am to GentleJackJones
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The oldest is definitely interested. He has really good grades and solid extracurriculars; however, it's my understanding that he's got a better shot at an Ivy League school than the Service academies. Is this true?
Besides all those things, they need to either be an athletic recruit or have a strong rec from a Congressman or similar political official. Or be a minority with all the attributes of the first paragraph. I think things like Eagle Scout are looked upon highly as well, but too late for that.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:12 am to GentleJackJones
1. Minorities have a leg up - time to find out if great grandma was really a full blooded choctaw.
2. Go to Academy Days (sponsored by your local congressperson)
3. Read the FB and Reddit Forums on the subject
4. Get on email lists from your local congressperson
5. Start working on it (making contacts, etc) while your kid is in the 10th grade
6. Get the kid involved in as much stuff as possible, every sports team, even if he just sits the bench
7. Easier to get in from "dumb states" like MS or LA, as the competition is less - I've heard that from Bennie Thompson's district (MS Delta) they struggle some years submitting a quality candidate - I meet a USAFA cadet from my hometown while on deployment, he said he would have never gotten in if he was from Colorado
8. Don't sleep on the USCGA or the Merchant Marine Academy - they don't get many southern applicants
9. Sign him up for Boy's State
10. Find a local Academy Alum for a reference and advice
My son eventually decided on ROTC as it combines a little military life with a lot of college life, rather than vice versa.
I see you are a VT fan, that is a top ROTC school.
2. Go to Academy Days (sponsored by your local congressperson)
3. Read the FB and Reddit Forums on the subject
4. Get on email lists from your local congressperson
5. Start working on it (making contacts, etc) while your kid is in the 10th grade
6. Get the kid involved in as much stuff as possible, every sports team, even if he just sits the bench
7. Easier to get in from "dumb states" like MS or LA, as the competition is less - I've heard that from Bennie Thompson's district (MS Delta) they struggle some years submitting a quality candidate - I meet a USAFA cadet from my hometown while on deployment, he said he would have never gotten in if he was from Colorado
8. Don't sleep on the USCGA or the Merchant Marine Academy - they don't get many southern applicants
9. Sign him up for Boy's State
10. Find a local Academy Alum for a reference and advice
My son eventually decided on ROTC as it combines a little military life with a lot of college life, rather than vice versa.
I see you are a VT fan, that is a top ROTC school.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:18 am to greenbean
quote:IIRC the USCGA doesn't go by congressional appointments, strictly merit based. And you get to spend summers on a tall ship. I believe you can also get a Navy reserve commission through the Merchant Marine Academy.
8. Don't sleep on the USCGA or the Merchant Marine Academy - they don't get many southern applicant
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:22 am to IAmNERD
There are a number of ways to secure an appointment to the service academies: congressional appointment from all representatives and senators, presidential appointment, vice president appointment athletic scholarship, and children of medal of honor winners. State legislators have no input into the process.
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