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re: Graduates of Service Academies or military colleges

Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to
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Military academies are looking for every smart, but still normal humans


Care just as much about being well-rounded and having family connections as much as they care about test scores and GPAs.

At least in my experience with friends that attended West Point and Naval Academy.

Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to
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It is harder to get into the Ivy schools than the service academies


Depends on how good your sob story is, but in general I agree.

The congressional recommendation thing isn't all that hard to get anymore. I don't even think you necessarily have to be a constituent of the guy making the recommendation. I also think that 20 years of real, brutal combat have kind of altered the calculus for a lot of top high school grads.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:26 am to
I went to the Citadel when it was all male. It was one of the smartest decisions I've ever made. As an ADD kid, I wouldn't have survived academically at a traditional college/university. Too many distractions.

Compared to a regular college/university and in a single word, day to day life sucked. But after a while, you become use to it and it's just part of the experience. On the flip side, it definitely gives you a thick skin on how to deal with BS in your daily life.

The reality is, you don't know what you are missing at a traditional college. The idea that you are part of something more than yourself was very gratifying. That's not to say we didn't have fun, you just had to be more creative way. I'll add this as well. Being locked on a dry campus 4.75 out 7 days a week leads to binge drinking in a lot of folks. They feel like they have to get a weeks worth in in 2.25 days...

This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:33 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98691 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:27 am to
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Hard to say, but with the service academies, you need a congressional recommendation. If you're in a populous area, you're going to have more competition for those limited recs.


Fun fact: Al Capone's accountant was persuaded to turn state's evidence in part on the promise of a Naval Academy appointment for his son. It got him whacked, but his son, Edward "Butch" O'Hare became a naval aviator who was awarded the Medal of Honor and for whom O'Hare airport in Chicago is named.

Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24190 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:29 am to
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Who makes the best Marine Corps officers: Naval Academy, NROTC, or OCS Quantico?


Want to know the real answer?

The Marine Enlisted Commissioning Program (MECEP). Those guys had their $#!+ in a pile.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19571 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:29 am to
The Citadel and the Institute have both been gutted. They are not what they used to be.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
6644 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:38 am to
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Al Capone's accountant was persuaded to turn state's evidence in part on the promise of a Naval Academy appointment for his son.

He was a lawyer for Capone, but yeah.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:44 am to
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Want to know the real answer?

The Marine Enlisted Commissioning Program (MECEP). Those guys had their $#!+ in a pile.


I thought you might say the commissioned officers of the Marine Band.

Until recently, I didn't realize that the members of the official Marine Band don't go through any sort of recruit training. I mean, their auditions for the band are pretty rigorous, but it's very weird that the one branch who takes the most pride in their enlisted/officer training allows musicians to get in with just an audition process.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Member since Jun 2004
177160 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:51 am to
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You also have to have congressional recommendation from a senator.
no

a Congressman will do
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19364 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:59 am to
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I received my appointment through my local congressman

I knew you had to have a recommendation, but can you get a state senator or rep to vouch for you? Or, being national academies, does it have to be a senator or rep who works in DC for the US Senate or House?

ETA I have an idea because it seems pretty obvious, but would like to confirm my theory...
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 11:00 am
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:03 am to
Tell em to go to King’s Point. Will be easy to get into and you only have to join the weekend navy after you get out. And he will be able to make decent money as soon as he graduates
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9291 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:03 am to
I have a degree from Norwich, which is sort of like New England’s version of VMI or the Citadel. I was not military track though (medical disqualification).

I’ll tell you this... their alumni organization is legit. They are all about working connections and alumni involvement. If LSU ever copied their model, we would be unstoppable.
Posted by Notnac
Vidalia
Member since Nov 2020
881 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:06 am to
My father in law went to the Naval Academy. He absolutely loved it and has very strong friendships with his classmates to this day.

I'm an Army officer and know many, many officers who went to West Point. They are proud of going, but their experiences were different. They all said they had very little freedom and many would have considered other options had they known.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98691 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:09 am to
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I thought you might say the commissioned officers of the Marine Band.

Until recently, I didn't realize that the members of the official Marine Band don't go through any sort of recruit training. I mean, their auditions for the band are pretty rigorous, but it's very weird that the one branch who takes the most pride in their enlisted/officer training allows musicians to get in with just an audition process.




Army bandsmen do go through Basic, or at least did at one time. My dad had one in his Basic training platoon. Poor guy injured his hand in a freak accident, couldn't play the trumpet any more and got a medical discharge.
Posted by VeniVidiVici
Gaul
Member since Feb 2012
1728 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:10 am to
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they all had legislative help from their state rep/senator to get in.

I thought a legislative appointment was required, not help
Posted by OWLFAN86
The OT has made me richer
Member since Jun 2004
177160 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:11 am to
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does it have to be a senator or rep who works in DC for the US Senate or House?

Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
6128 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:12 am to
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The oldest is definitely interested. He has really good grades and solid extracurriculars; however, it's my understanding that he's got a better shot at an Ivy League school than the Service academies. Is this true?


Besides all those things, they need to either be an athletic recruit or have a strong rec from a Congressman or similar political official. Or be a minority with all the attributes of the first paragraph. I think things like Eagle Scout are looked upon highly as well, but too late for that.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired
Member since Feb 2019
4779 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:12 am to
1. Minorities have a leg up - time to find out if great grandma was really a full blooded choctaw.
2. Go to Academy Days (sponsored by your local congressperson)
3. Read the FB and Reddit Forums on the subject
4. Get on email lists from your local congressperson
5. Start working on it (making contacts, etc) while your kid is in the 10th grade
6. Get the kid involved in as much stuff as possible, every sports team, even if he just sits the bench
7. Easier to get in from "dumb states" like MS or LA, as the competition is less - I've heard that from Bennie Thompson's district (MS Delta) they struggle some years submitting a quality candidate - I meet a USAFA cadet from my hometown while on deployment, he said he would have never gotten in if he was from Colorado
8. Don't sleep on the USCGA or the Merchant Marine Academy - they don't get many southern applicants
9. Sign him up for Boy's State
10. Find a local Academy Alum for a reference and advice

My son eventually decided on ROTC as it combines a little military life with a lot of college life, rather than vice versa.

I see you are a VT fan, that is a top ROTC school.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 11:54 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98691 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:18 am to
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8. Don't sleep on the USCGA or the Merchant Marine Academy - they don't get many southern applicant
IIRC the USCGA doesn't go by congressional appointments, strictly merit based. And you get to spend summers on a tall ship. I believe you can also get a Navy reserve commission through the Merchant Marine Academy.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
20456 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:22 am to
There are a number of ways to secure an appointment to the service academies: congressional appointment from all representatives and senators, presidential appointment, vice president appointment athletic scholarship, and children of medal of honor winners. State legislators have no input into the process.
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