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Graduates of Service Academies or military colleges

Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:55 am
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:55 am
For those of you who attended and graduated one of the United States Service Academies or a military college (The Citadel, Virginia Military Institute), will you please describe your experience - academically, socially, daily cadet life, post-graduate, and so forth?

The oldest is definitely interested. He has really good grades and solid extracurriculars; however, it's my understanding that he's got a better shot at an Ivy League school than the Service academies. Is this true?
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:57 am to
You should have went the travel ball route with your son. I think you would have been a good coach-dad
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:59 am to
My daughter has a friend at the Naval Academy, a friend at the Air Force Academy and a friend at West Point ... I know for fact that they all had legislative help from their state rep/senator to get in. The Naval Academy and West Point friend ended up doing a year at a state university and then got accepted for their second year at their academy of choice.

IDK how much this helps. I can also add that all 3 are very happy with their choices.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:00 am
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:01 am to
quote:

t's my understanding that he's got a better shot at an Ivy League school than the Service academies. Is this true?



Hard to say, but with the service academies, you need a congressional recommendation. If you're in a populous area, you're going to have more competition for those limited recs.

Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31886 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am to
True.....Harvard is far easier to get in.

Your boy will have to have academics for sure but will have to show strong leadership skills through extracurriculars.

Acceptance rate is 11% out of 11k.

You also have to have congressional recommendation from a senator.......much harder to get than you think.

Its rockstar and super hard work. Plus, 5 years active duty and 3 years reserve.

Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am to
Secondary question, but one I've always wanted to know as a non-military person surrounded by military people:

Who makes the best Marine Corps officers: Naval Academy, NROTC, or OCS Quantico?
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
20220 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am to
I attended the Air Force Academy. I received my appointment through my local congressman.
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4142 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Hard to say, but with the service academies, you need a congressional recommendation. If you're in a populous area, you're going to have more competition for those limited recs.


Nashville - and I don't know a soul nor have an idea on how or who to meet or going about that.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94889 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:05 am to
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Acceptance rate is 11%
Harvards acceptance rate is 4.5%

It is harder to get into the Ivy schools than the service academies

Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31886 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:06 am to
Does he happen to be an Eagle Scout?
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35323 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Nashville - and I don't know a soul nor have an idea on how or who to meet or going about that.



Call your representatives local office (not the DC office). They should have a staffer whose job it is to coordinate military academy appointments and can walk you through the process.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31886 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:06 am to
quote:

It is harder to get into the Ivy schools than the service academies


no. its not.

That acceptance rate is not linear


ETA: I will concede its on par
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:07 am
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:09 am to
quote:

it's my understanding that he's got a better shot at an Ivy League school than the Service academies. Is this true?


Fairly true for several reasons. 1) there are more Ivy League schools than service academies 2) there are larger classes in the Ivy League schools 3) the combination of 1&2 make entrance crazy competitive.

If he has the CV to get appointed he definitely has the CV for an Ivy League school.
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
7987 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:09 am to
Does he want to be in the military?

My $.02 I'll give unrequested- As someone who has served with lots of folks from multiple commissioning sources, consider looking for an ROTC scholarship to a good university. He'll have a normal-ish college experience, receive $ for school and still commission.

I feel like my friends from the academies didn't really have fun, at all. But what do I know?
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:10 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101293 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:12 am to
quote:

quote:
It is harder to get into the Ivy schools than the service academies


no. its not.

That acceptance rate is not linear


ETA: I will concede its on par


It's sort of apples to oranges in a lot of ways, though. They aren't exactly judging by the same criteria. To some extent, of course, but there are other things that come in play with the military academies that don't with Ivy League schools.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94889 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:12 am to
quote:

ETA: I will concede its on par
Not even close

Harvard had 40,428 applicants last year, and 1,980 were accepted

Mean SAT score was 1510

Wespoint had 12,294 applicants, and 1,210 were admitted

Mean SAT score as 1287

The type of student to get accepted into Ivys they just dont make much of. Ture academic braniacs. Military academies are looking for every smart, but still normal humans
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:14 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13337 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:13 am to
Helps if you have a Congressional connection.
Posted by nobigdeal69
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Member since Nov 2009
2172 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:17 am to
My sister graduated from the Naval Academy. She ran track for them, so that helped her get in.

She graduated with a degree in aeronautical engineering and is now a stay at home mom.

She went to flight school after commencement, which adds even more time to your service commitment post graduation.

Posted by NWarty
Somewhere in the PNW
Member since Sep 2013
2181 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:18 am to
quote:

I feel like my friends from the academies didn't really have fun, at all. But what do I know?


I went to Officer Basic Course with seemingly the entire West Point Football team. Those guys, hoo boy, liked to throw down and party (this was also before BOLC was a thing).
Posted by nobigdeal69
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2009
2172 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:19 am to
quote:

My $.02 I'll give unrequested- As someone who has served with lots of folks from multiple commissioning sources, consider looking for an ROTC scholarship to a good university. He'll have a normal-ish college experience, receive $ for school and still commission.

I feel like my friends from the academies didn't really have fun, at all. But what do I know?


I'd probably second this. My sister's time at the Academy sounded like a boarding school.
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