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re: I don't get Wisconsin
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:39 am to armtackledawg
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:39 am to armtackledawg
It’s because confirmation bias has led you to believe that gun toting red-blooded outdoor Americans are all right wing extremists.
That’s so far from the truth. If all you do is hang around people like you, this will blow your mind... there is no conspiracy and the radical left (who suck by the way) is a very small percentage of the population.
That’s so far from the truth. If all you do is hang around people like you, this will blow your mind... there is no conspiracy and the radical left (who suck by the way) is a very small percentage of the population.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:41 am to mauser
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It’s the cities vs the country. The battleground is the burbs.
This is absolutely correct in central Texas. Farms and ranches look like MAGA rallies. Towns like Lockhart (14k) are close to 50/50 yard signs (more Biden, but factoring some shy Trump folks), and of course we know about cities like Austin.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:42 am to armtackledawg
Like most states, WI consists of a few blue islands among seas of red.
WI has a very large and interconnected public university system. UW-Madison and UW-Milwaukee are beacons of progressive thought, but the smaller state schools stake out their territories too. La Crosse, Eau Claire, Green Bay, and others. Remember those massive protests in 2010 when Walker was pushing Act 10 to bust up the unions? That shite was happening on every campus. It ain't hard to find 100,000 liberals around Madison, or 10,000 liberals in the other college towns. These protests created the illusion that the citizens opposed the bill in substantially greater numbers than they actually did.
The rest of the state is deep red. They like their football, their beer, their tailgates. They're blue collar and redneck as hell. The Tavern League holds a lot of political sway. Fishing and hunting are huge. (Russ Feingold, one of the most liberal Senators we ever had, was actually a decent ally for gun rights, strictly because of the hunting culture up there.)
Wisconsin is almost a perfect 50/50 split. It's a state where one Senator came from the Tea Party and another is openly gay. A state that can break for Obama twice and then go to Trump. A state that elected Scott Walker, recalled him, elected him again, and then elected Tony Evers.
Source: born in WI, lived there for 25 years.
WI has a very large and interconnected public university system. UW-Madison and UW-Milwaukee are beacons of progressive thought, but the smaller state schools stake out their territories too. La Crosse, Eau Claire, Green Bay, and others. Remember those massive protests in 2010 when Walker was pushing Act 10 to bust up the unions? That shite was happening on every campus. It ain't hard to find 100,000 liberals around Madison, or 10,000 liberals in the other college towns. These protests created the illusion that the citizens opposed the bill in substantially greater numbers than they actually did.
The rest of the state is deep red. They like their football, their beer, their tailgates. They're blue collar and redneck as hell. The Tavern League holds a lot of political sway. Fishing and hunting are huge. (Russ Feingold, one of the most liberal Senators we ever had, was actually a decent ally for gun rights, strictly because of the hunting culture up there.)
Wisconsin is almost a perfect 50/50 split. It's a state where one Senator came from the Tea Party and another is openly gay. A state that can break for Obama twice and then go to Trump. A state that elected Scott Walker, recalled him, elected him again, and then elected Tony Evers.
Source: born in WI, lived there for 25 years.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:44 am to armtackledawg
One of these days folks like you will realize why city independence is a good idea. Let me them run their own policies and let DC fall into the abyss of irrelevance.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:50 am to armtackledawg
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So when they ruin Georgia, Texas and North Carolina, where do they move?
Ideally, a small island in the middle of the ocean.
I would also take Liberia.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:56 am to Adam Banks
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This is the obvious “hidden” trump vote
The hidden Trump vote is also registered dems voting for him.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:59 am to messyjesse
Perfect synopsis - very similar to Michigan (lived there 25 years).
Most democrats are Feingold-like and no one is going to screw with our guns. Even the liberals hoard bullets and ARs up here.
Most democrats are Feingold-like and no one is going to screw with our guns. Even the liberals hoard bullets and ARs up here.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:59 am to canyon critter
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women should have the right to choose
They do have the right to choose. Make sure the man wears a damn condom. Abortion to avoid personal responsibility is fricking disgraceful and that's why 99.99% of abortions happen.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:02 am to armtackledawg
My wife has two brothers and one sister that lives in Milwaukee with their families. I know one brother is for any Democrat and the other one is for any Republican. I don't know about her sister. Their families follow whomever there parents want.
Of course her brother that is Democrat sends my wife a lot of hateful crap. I keep telling her to unfriend his arse, but she won't do it.
Of course her brother that is Democrat sends my wife a lot of hateful crap. I keep telling her to unfriend his arse, but she won't do it.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:02 am to messyjesse
Nailed it
Its purple. A true swing state.
Urban and rural division. Progs in Dane County (madison) and blacks in Milwaukee county. Conservatives mostly lead everywhere else.
Trump is hitting it hard.
Ivanka 20 miles from me tomorrow and Trump doing another rally in Green Bay.
Its purple. A true swing state.
Urban and rural division. Progs in Dane County (madison) and blacks in Milwaukee county. Conservatives mostly lead everywhere else.
Trump is hitting it hard.
Ivanka 20 miles from me tomorrow and Trump doing another rally in Green Bay.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:06 am to VADawg
Raped victims should definitely make sure their rapists wear protection.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:12 am to WhitewaterDawg
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Madison
Under Donna Shalala, UW-Madison is where "Political Correctness" (the precursor to #Woke culture) was literally born.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:15 am to crazyatthecamp
People keep getting caught up in traditional trends and metrics in these swing states and they are forgetting the peculiar dynamics of 2016.
People were so sick of the status quo that card carrying democrats went to the polls and elected a fricking game show host to be president. In response, the dems gave us the swampiest hissy fit in the history of politics, confirming every fear and suspicion 16 Trump voters had. Now, suddenly these peple are going to go back to that? No way.
Think about it. It makes zero sense. Unless there is an epic wave of new dem voters in this election, Biden's goose is cooked.
People were so sick of the status quo that card carrying democrats went to the polls and elected a fricking game show host to be president. In response, the dems gave us the swampiest hissy fit in the history of politics, confirming every fear and suspicion 16 Trump voters had. Now, suddenly these peple are going to go back to that? No way.
Think about it. It makes zero sense. Unless there is an epic wave of new dem voters in this election, Biden's goose is cooked.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:16 am to armtackledawg
It's a microcosm of the country. A couple pockets of elites and densely populated urban areas (Madison/Milwaukee) control the vast majority (land wise, not pupulation) with their vote. Same in Michigan, PA, and Ohio.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:16 am to Bristol Dawg
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Perfect synopsis - very similar to Michigan (lived there 25 years).
Cheers. Yooper or troll?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:18 am to armtackledawg
I have a good friend whom I worked with for years who still has a home near Milwaukee. His two brothers up there vote R. His sisters and sisters in law vote hard left. For some reason under 50 women don't like republicans.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:21 am to RollTide4Ever
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Raped victims should definitely make sure their rapists wear protection
Rape victims fall into that .01% that I was talking about. That's different. I said 99.99% of abortions are done to avoid personal responsibility.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:23 am to oldskule
Agreed.
Wisconsin is basically the Louisiana of the Midwest.
Wisconsin is basically the Louisiana of the Midwest.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:30 am to Vacherie Saint
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Trump won Wiscy in 2016
This is what everybody is ignoring.
The best predictor of how an incumbent President will perform in a state in his re-election bid is to actually look at how that candidate did in that state the first time.
We have plenty of data to verify this. On average incumbents win something like 95% of the states they won the first time and increase their vote share by around 3%. I'm spitballing the numbers there, but we simply DO NOT see what the media and their "polls" are telling us is going to happen.
The only notable exception was the South turning their back on Jimmy Carter in 1980 and we all know the ideological shift that prompted that. The Rust Belt middle class didn't suddenly wake up these past two years and realize they actually stand with BLM, Green New Deal, moar ME wars and socialist fiscal policies. Their "awakening" happened in 2016 and it will continue.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 10:47 am to armtackledawg
It's Boomers' fault for waiting until later in life to have kids who are now coddled and pampered and and who are easily distracted and swayed by the lies from Dems.
"Your parents were racists! (bullshite. the people before us put the policies in place. We tore them down) Don't be like your parents!"
Raise your kids better and that's not an issue. My daughter has a Trump yard sign up in her room in her sorority house at OU and a roommate that is a fervent Trump campaigner. They know bullshite and don't fall for that siren song from the campus socialists.
She wore a Trump MAGA sweatshirt to a class on campus and the professor asked if that was meant to be a joke in a very condescending way. She replied, "No more of a joke than attending this class. Is this class a joke?"
Proud of my girl.
"Your parents were racists! (bullshite. the people before us put the policies in place. We tore them down) Don't be like your parents!"
Raise your kids better and that's not an issue. My daughter has a Trump yard sign up in her room in her sorority house at OU and a roommate that is a fervent Trump campaigner. They know bullshite and don't fall for that siren song from the campus socialists.
She wore a Trump MAGA sweatshirt to a class on campus and the professor asked if that was meant to be a joke in a very condescending way. She replied, "No more of a joke than attending this class. Is this class a joke?"
Proud of my girl.
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