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$15 min wage

Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:02 pm
Posted by rashman
Member since Oct 2020
31 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:02 pm
I’m seeing some posts arguing that increasing the min wage will shut down small businesses. It looks accurate on surface but I see no data showing that. Owners just want to make higher profit. Minimum wage is too low and hasn’t kept up with inflation. And frankly, if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business.

I’d like to see some links and not just rhetoric showing increasing min wage is a burden. Here’s a link showing that it doesn’t hurt business like y’all seem to think. Open minded reading required:
LINK
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:03 pm to
Bloomberg

frick thus shite.

Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business


Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
9864 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

And frankly, if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business.


Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
16446 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:03 pm to
Good luck in selling enough 20 dollar Big Mac’a to keep McDonald’s afloat... then you’ll have tens of thousands of lost jobs.
Posted by chryso
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13156 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:03 pm to
if minimum wage goes up then prices go up to pay for it. If prices go up then the people making minimum wage spend more of their money on these goods. It is a circle.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

And frankly, if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business.


This is your problem. It’s not the business’s job to provide a livable wage. Supply/ demand determines wage. Minimum wage was never meant to give people a living wage.
This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
117998 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:04 pm to
These idiots don’t realize that living expenses aren’t everywhere like they are in NYC, Washington, Chicago, LA, SF, and Seattle
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10710 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:04 pm to
You’re an idiot.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business.


Please define a living wage.

Signed,


Small business owner
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71645 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

And frankly, if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business.

What is a living wage?

a single person who works full time on min wage would earn ABOVE the poverty line.

Every single literaure review of min wage finds it reduces employment and hours.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
77111 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to
I'd rather do away with it and welfare altogether and go with UBI.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to
Tell me, what do you do with the people who will not regularly show up to work? THAT is who stays at minimum wage for long periods of time - people with no skills and no discipline.

Now they will be even less likely to be hired or retained.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9052 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:05 pm to
Oh dear Lord. Have you heard of Seattle?
Posted by DownSouthJukin
1x tRant Poster of the Millennium
Member since Jan 2014
29972 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

if you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you probably shouldn’t be in business.


See Nike, Apple, Samsung, etc. ad infinitum.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

It looks accurate on surface but I see no data showing that.


If I can only afford $6000 for 2 employees, payroll tax, and insurances...

Then I increase their pay 50%...
Now the cost is $8000...
I have to fire one of them, and my own hours increase to cover the loss of an employee.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Data
Posted by IntenseSaint
Member since May 2020
89 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:07 pm to
To the OP, do you have ANY idea at all what it takes to run a business? A small business that has 8-10 employees will get crushed by a $15 minimum wage.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30819 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:07 pm to
You asked this question in another thread, so I just brought my reply over to your thread...here it is:


"Ask ANY small business owner with some lower end income jobs (fast food, customer service, etc.). I owned an automobile dealership, and I can tell you that it would have cost some people their jobs. Many business professions have technologies available that would enable them to operate with less employees, but they're usually an expensive purchase. But if you can eliminate a $15 dollar an hour employee, PLUS the governmental expense of having them, it's not a hard decision. Also, a minimum wage bump invariably means increases up the chain.
In the long run, the owner has to increase the price of his good or services to offset the added expense, and you know who eventually pays that."
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:10 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/25/20 at 6:27 pm
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7295 posts
Posted on 10/25/20 at 1:10 pm to
Exactly. Minimum wage is meant for children and people sharing a residence. It’s not meant to start a family and buy a home with annual visits to Disney.

Good workers get what they are due.

I can tell you that if minimum wages go up, there will be companies that simply reduce the workforce and make each job WORTH $15. The ones left behind will have no opportunity.

My old company decided to open a retail outlet back in the day... I was unlucky enough to be chosen to start it up. Managing retail employees is the worst. They suck! I found a couple I liked and put them on salary. The salary was less than what they would have earned, but they liked it, and were great employees in a sea of shiat. I could see salaries becoming more common.
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