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Tonight I learned: 90 years before Rosa Parks, Blacks in NOLA desegregated Streetcars.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 3:18 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 3:18 am
1867.
Blacks decided that they were going to just start riding the white designated streetcars, and did so.
The streetcar company asked Sheridan, who was the Union General in charge of Louisiana during Reconstruction, what they should do about it.
Sheridan told them that if they wanted to operate streetcars in NOLA, they better go along with it.
There was some ruckus at first, but then the whites and blacks ended up riding together as if it wasn"t any kind of problem.
Why are we not taught this in Louisiana schools?
Just like we aren't taught about the first American conspiracy to revolt against the European master that took place in NOLA.
NOLA has always been different when it came to race issues, and free blacks were held in just as high regard as any white man until halfway through the 1800's.
Money and power was more important than race in NOLA back then.
Hell, there were two slave magnates(someone who owned more than 30 slaves) that were black men in the early 1800's in the NOLA area.
I just find it fascinating that this Civil Rights movement isn't recognised by anybody, much less Louisiana.
Blacks decided that they were going to just start riding the white designated streetcars, and did so.
The streetcar company asked Sheridan, who was the Union General in charge of Louisiana during Reconstruction, what they should do about it.
Sheridan told them that if they wanted to operate streetcars in NOLA, they better go along with it.
There was some ruckus at first, but then the whites and blacks ended up riding together as if it wasn"t any kind of problem.
Why are we not taught this in Louisiana schools?
Just like we aren't taught about the first American conspiracy to revolt against the European master that took place in NOLA.
NOLA has always been different when it came to race issues, and free blacks were held in just as high regard as any white man until halfway through the 1800's.
Money and power was more important than race in NOLA back then.
Hell, there were two slave magnates(someone who owned more than 30 slaves) that were black men in the early 1800's in the NOLA area.
I just find it fascinating that this Civil Rights movement isn't recognised by anybody, much less Louisiana.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 4:20 am to magildachunks
All I can say is black, white whatever color you are....join the Trump train!
Posted on 9/16/20 at 4:27 am to magildachunks
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Money and power was more important than race in NOLA back then.
today, race issues are being used to get money and power
Posted on 9/16/20 at 4:44 am to magildachunks
Because Parks was actually a communist agitator and the people who write schoolbooks are communists
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 4:48 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 4:46 am to magildachunks
New Orleans wasn’t the first city to have this happen.
Elizabeth Jennings Graham did it in New York 13 years earlier. Also if you search, many cities in the south were having street car desegregation movements in 1867 during the Reconstruction.
Elizabeth Jennings Graham did it in New York 13 years earlier. Also if you search, many cities in the south were having street car desegregation movements in 1867 during the Reconstruction.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 4:50 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 5:19 am to Strannix
Why the downvotes? Its a fact Parks was a trained operative for the CPUSA/Soviet Union.
When we were locked in a deadly nuclear standoff too, the cause may have been noble but she was a Soviet sympathizer.
When we were locked in a deadly nuclear standoff too, the cause may have been noble but she was a Soviet sympathizer.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 5:40 am to TypoKnig
Race relations actually advanced pretty significantly during Reconstruction, but that was mainly because they were forced to due to the Union army's occupation of the South. Nevertheless, there was an unprecedented level of integration going on until the Ku Klux Klan began their reign of terror.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 5:54 am to magildachunks
Just like you weren't taught the first legal slave owner in America was a black man who went to court over it. Not NOLA specific, but interesting.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 6:08 am to magildachunks
Looks like the streetcar system was segregated in the beginning, but after protests and riots in 1867, the city ordered it integrated, and that lasted until 1902 when it was RE-segregated. Wikipedia: Streetcars in New Orleans
The federal troops during Reconstruction had supported integration on trains and such for a while after the Civil War, but that ended when the local whites got control again after the Compromise of 1877 led to the withdrawal of federal troops.
History.com
Then a New Orleans train segregation case established the separate but equal doctrine that lasted until Brown v Board. In 1892, Homer Plessy, an "octoroon" (seven-eighths white) resident of New Orleans, violated Louisiana's Separate Car Act of 1890, which required "equal, but separate" train car accommodations for white and non-white passengers.
He was charged with boarding a "whites only" train car. He lost at trial, and his conviction was affirmed on his appeal to the Louisiana Supreme Court.
He next went to the US Supreme Court, which issued a 7–1 decision against him, ruling that the Louisiana law did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment and its Equal Protection Clause.
The only dissent came from Justice John Marshall Harlan, a former slaveholder from Kentucky who had originally opposed emancipation and civil rights for freed slaves. But he changed his views due to actions of white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan.
With that 1896 ruling about trains in hand, it appears the New Orleans authorities did not wait long to again segregate the street cars in 1902.
The federal troops during Reconstruction had supported integration on trains and such for a while after the Civil War, but that ended when the local whites got control again after the Compromise of 1877 led to the withdrawal of federal troops.
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[W]hite and black Southerners mixed relatively freely until the 1880s, when state legislatures passed the first laws requiring railroads to provide separate cars for “Negro” or “colored” passengers.
History.com
Then a New Orleans train segregation case established the separate but equal doctrine that lasted until Brown v Board. In 1892, Homer Plessy, an "octoroon" (seven-eighths white) resident of New Orleans, violated Louisiana's Separate Car Act of 1890, which required "equal, but separate" train car accommodations for white and non-white passengers.
He was charged with boarding a "whites only" train car. He lost at trial, and his conviction was affirmed on his appeal to the Louisiana Supreme Court.
He next went to the US Supreme Court, which issued a 7–1 decision against him, ruling that the Louisiana law did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment and its Equal Protection Clause.
The only dissent came from Justice John Marshall Harlan, a former slaveholder from Kentucky who had originally opposed emancipation and civil rights for freed slaves. But he changed his views due to actions of white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan.
With that 1896 ruling about trains in hand, it appears the New Orleans authorities did not wait long to again segregate the street cars in 1902.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 6:42 am to magildachunks
Blacks are 7.9 times more likely to be homicide offenders than nonblacks on a per capita basis. Is that taught in Louisiana schools?
Posted on 9/16/20 at 6:48 am to magildachunks
Ironically enough, P.T Beauregard is considered the actual father of the civil rights movement in the south
He integrated his business and argued for full integration back in the 1800s. So yes, the guy who’s statue was removed from city park for being racist actually fought for black peoples rights in the south
He integrated his business and argued for full integration back in the 1800s. So yes, the guy who’s statue was removed from city park for being racist actually fought for black peoples rights in the south
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 6:49 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 7:04 am to Strannix
quote:When facts contradict official dogma, it hurts people's feelings so they downvote.
Why the downvotes? Its a fact...
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:28 am to magildachunks
Blacks were more prosperous prior to 1960 than today, because 1960 is when they were duped into thinking politicians were actually there to help them, Democrats to be specific. Now we're in the 4th generation of welfare recipients and knee deep in "racism" that took 100 years to surface after the emancipation proclamation.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:33 am to lsupride87
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Ironically enough, P.T Beauregard is considered the actual father of the civil rights movement in the south
He integrated his business and argued for full integration back in the 1800s. So yes, the guy who’s statue was removed from city park for being racist actually fought for black peoples rights in the south
John McDonough left his fortune to the black and white children of New Orleans In the form of educational grants. Many of those schools are still around today.
Stonewall Jackson also educated slaves which was against the state laws as well as taught them religion to further help educate him. He himself was a deeply religious man. In his interpretation God had created the institution of slavery so he didn’t speak out against it.
Not to mention Robert e Lee being openly against it. Even freeing his slaves before the Civil War
The institution of slavery is vile and wrong. We know this unequivocally today. These men didn’t have the benefit of an extra 170 years of hind site like we do today. They didn’t have readily or easily available tools to a broad and worldly education. outside of the wealth and educated most never traveled probably 20 miles from home. These were by definition a nation and even a world of ignorant people compared to us today.
Yet people go crazy and don’t want to look at any nuance and just see specific facets of their lives and destroy and dismantle anything related to their memory. And the politicians allow them and enable them to score political points. It’s 1984 shite. The high using the low to manipulate the middle. These flawed men who actually did make significant contributions to their country and who are so vehemently desecrated were clearly starting to see the light. They just happened to be born 100 years or more too early. There are things we all do and fight for today that in 170 years will seem appalling to our ancestors. Things that we take for granted and believe are just and necessary.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:58 am to RollTide1987
I don't understand the inclination of many on this board to downplay trials of black Americans in prior decades and centuries instead of focusing on the huge amounts of progress made since.
I agree with the poster on the nuance lacking in cancel culture. But I'm talking about the "black slave traders!" and "black slave owners!" stuff.
I agree with the poster on the nuance lacking in cancel culture. But I'm talking about the "black slave traders!" and "black slave owners!" stuff.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:12 am to jlovel7
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These men didn’t have the benefit of an extra 170 years of hind site like we do today. They didn’t have readily or easily available tools to a broad and worldly education. outside of the wealth and educated most never traveled probably 20 miles from home. These were by definition a nation and even a world of ignorant people compared to us today.
but the question can and must be asked, do you really need intellect to know that owning another human being, no matter at what part of the timeline of human history, is wrong?
at least we can agree
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The institution of slavery is vile and wrong.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:17 am to chRxis
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but the question can and must be asked, do you really need intellect to know that owning another human being, no matter at what part of the timeline of human history, is wrong?
at least we can agree
Did they see them as human beings though? Something so plain and clear that you and I see today. You’re taking for granted that that’s how people viewed the world 170 years ago. The entire history of civilization and everywhere it has touched in any form is soaked in blood.
ETA: and I’d add further argue that Lee realized this during his life which is why he emancipated his slaves years before the civil war and was a proponent for reconciliation between north and south after the war. Jackson used his position of power to educate slaves and attempt to elevate them. McDonough donated his fortune to educate both black and white children. Yet they still at one point owned them. Nuance. These are imperfect human beings who still had good contributions to society alongside their transgressions.
This post was edited on 9/16/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:18 am to Strannix
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Its a fact Parks was a trained operative for the CPUSA/Soviet Union.
Got a link for that? I've never heard it before and am curious what it's based upon.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:19 am to RonLaFlamme
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Got a link for that? I've never heard it before and am curious what it's based upon.
Same I too have never heard that. I’ve heard about links with MLK but mostly in the context of J Edgar Hoover pushing that narrative.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:01 am to magildachunks
There’s a lot of backwards things about LA, but, Nola is so far ahead of the curve in the rest of the country when it comes to acceptance of different folks. In all ways.
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