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Mathematicians Are So Close to Cracking This 82-Year-Old Riddle

Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:20 pm
Posted by hikingfan
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:20 pm
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Terence Tao is one of the greatest mathematicians of our time. At age 21, he got his Ph.D. at Princeton. At 24, he became the youngest math professor at UCLA?—ever. And in 2006 he won the Fields Medal, known as the Nobel Prize of math, at the age of 31.

One of the best things about Tao is that he really delivers on content, and openly shares it with the world. His blog is like a modern-day da Vinci’s notebook. Name a subject in advanced math, and he’s written about it.

So this week, Tao takes us to the Collatz Conjecture. Proposed in 1937 by German mathematician Lothar Collatz, the Collatz Conjecture is fairly easy to describe, so here we go.

Take any natural number. There is a rule, or function, which we apply to that number, to get the next number. We then apply that rule over and over, and see where it takes us. The rule is this: If the number is even, then divide it by 2, and if the number is odd, then multiply by 3 and add 1.

For example, let’s use 10. It’s even, so the rule says to divide by 2, taking us to 5. Now that’s odd, so we multiply 5 by 3 and then add 1, landing us on 16. Now 16 is even, so we cut it in half to get 8. Even again, so halving gets us 4. Now 4 is even, so we take half, getting 2, which is even, and cuts in half to 1.

Start with numbers other than 10, and you’ll still inevitably end at 1 … we think. That’s the Collatz Conjecture.

It’s definitely true for all numbers with less than 19 digits, so that covers whatever you probably had in mind. But even if computers check up to 100 or 1,000 digits, that’s far from a proof for all natural numbers.

Tao’s breakthrough post is titled “Almost All Collatz Orbits Attain Almost Bounded Values.” Let’s break that down slightly. Collatz Orbits are just the little sequences you get with the process we just did. So the Collatz Orbit of 10 is (10, 5, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1, 4, 2, 1, …). Since half of 4 is 2, half of 2 is 1, and 3*1+1 is 4, Collatz Orbits cycle through 4, 2, and 1 forever.

The big detail in Tao’s proclamation is that first “Almost.” That word is the last barrier to a full solution, and it takes different meanings in different math contexts. So what does it mean here?

The technical term in this case is logarithmic density. It’s describing how rare the counterexamples to the Collatz Conjecture are, if they exist at all. They could exist, but their frequency approaches 0 as you go farther down the number line. The goal remains to prove they don’t exist whatsoever.


In essence, Tao’s results says that any counterexamples to the Collatz Conjecture are going to be incredibly rare. There’s a deep meaning to how rare we’re talking here, but it’s still very different from nonexistent.

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Posted by Hogwarts
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:23 pm to
You lost me at Math. Lol
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:23 pm to
That looks a Calc 1 problem. Not too hard to solve.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:24 pm to
n=3.50
Posted by Booyow
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:25 pm to
Just solved that shite on my TI-85
Posted by yaboidarrell
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Posted by Ghost of Colby
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:26 pm to
Counter examples exists... possibly. I can’t prove it one way or the other.
Posted by GeauxTigers2015
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:28 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 11:54 am
Posted by Breadstick Gun
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:31 pm to
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Posted by Ted2010
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:32 pm to
The answer is C. Now, where’s my Fields Medal?
Posted by Purple Spoon
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Posted by BurningHeart
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:38 pm to
Am I ever going to use this in real life OP?
Posted by MrWalkingMan
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:39 pm to
So he’s saying that nothing can be proven impossible because the possibilities are infinite? I don’t think you need at Fields Medal to come to that conclusion
Posted by Tyga Woods
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:39 pm to
Kige did a video on this very subject.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:48 pm to
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Mathematicians Are So Close to Cracking This 82-Year-Old Riddle
Since the last one of their pack got laid?
Posted by Johnny Carson
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:50 pm to
I was told there would be no math on the O-T Lounge.
Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 5:55 pm to
The bell boy kept it.
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Posted by LSUtoBOOT
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 6:02 pm to
Zero is sometimes defined as a natural number, and is also considered even.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 6:09 pm to
The doctor is the mom
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