- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
The Top 10 Greatest Generals of All-Time - According to Mathematics
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:20 am
quote:
First, where is all this information coming from? Although an imperfect source, Arsht complied Wikipedia data from 3,580 battles and 6,619 generals. He then compiled lists of key commanders, total forces, and of course, the outcome. The general's forces were categorized and his numerical advantage or disadvantage weighted to reflect tactical ability. The real power is ranking the general's WAR score, the aforementioned Wins Above Replacement.
For each battle, the general receives a weighted WAR score, a negative score for a loss. For example, at the Battle of Borodino that pitted Napoleon against Russian General Mikhail Kutuzov, the French had a slight numerical advantage against the Russians. So, the model devised by Arsht gave Bonaparte a WAR score of .49, which means a replacement general had a 50 percent chance of still winning the battle. Kutuzov gets a -.49 for Borodino, meaning a replacement for him had a 51 percent chance of losing anyway.
The more battles a commander fights and wins, the more opportunities to raise their scores. Fighting fewer battles doesn't help, either. There were some surprises in the model, like the apparent failures of generals like Robert E. Lee and more modern generals. For the more modern generals like Patton, that can be attributed to the relatively small number of battles commanded.
quote:
10. Alexander the Great
As previously mentioned, Alexander was a great strategist, but since his life was cut short and he had only nine battles from which to draw data, it leaves the model very little to work with. Still, the conqueror of the known world is ranked much higher than other leaders with similar numbers, including the Japanese Shogun Tokugawa, German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel, and Confederate General J.E.B. Stuart.
It should be noted that Alexander's per-battle WAR average is higher than anyone else's on the list.
9. Georgy Zhukov
Zhukov has only one more battle than Alexander and his overall score barely squeaks by the Macedonian. Interestingly enough, his score is far, far above that of Gen. Douglas MacArthur and Confederate Generals Jubal Early and John Bell Hood. That's what overcoming the odds does for your WAR score.
8. Frederick the Great
Ruling for more than 40 years and commanding troops in some 14 battles across Europe earned the enlightened Prussian ruler the number 8 spot on this list. His per-battle average was also lower than Alexander's but, on the whole, he was just a better tactician.
7. Ulysses S. Grant
Grant's performance commanding Union troops in 16 battles earned him the seventh spot on the list – and the U.S. presidency. Although his performance on the battlefield is clearly much better than those of his contemporaries, it should be noted that his Civil War arch-rival, Robert E. Lee, is so far below him on the list that he actually has a negative score.
6. Hannibal Barca
Hannibal, once captured by Scipio Africanus, is believed to have given his own ranking system to Scipio, once the two started talking. His personal assessment wasn't far off from the truth. He listed Alexander the Great and himself. Both of whom are in the top ten, even centuries later.
5. Khalid Ibn al-Walid
Khalid was a companion of the Prophet Mohammed, and one of the Islamic Empire's most capable military leaders. In 14 battles, he remained undefeated against the Byzantine Empire, the Sassanid Persians, and helped spread Islam to the greater Middle East. Compared to others who fought similar numbers of battles, his score eclipses even Frederick the Great.
4. Takeda Shingen
Being one of the best military minds in feudal Japan is a really big deal, because almost everyone seemed to be a military mind and being better than someone else might mean you get challenged to a duel. After 18 battles, the Tiger of Kai reigned supreme – in Japan, anyway.
3. Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington
It's a pretty big deal to be the guy who delivered a solid defeat to the man they called "Master of Europe." Napoleon's old nemesis, the Duke of Wellington, also saw command of 18 battles, but his WAR score is considerably higher than that of Takeda Shingen, his nearest challenger.
2. Julius Caesar
Caesar didn't have command in as many battles as Shingen or the Duke of Wellington, but his WAR score reflects a lot more risk and shrewdness in his battlefield tactics. But Caesar also couldn't top Alexander's per-battle WAR average.
1. Napoleon Bonaparte
Yes, you might have guessed by now, but the number one spot belongs to l'Empereur. Napoleon is so far ahead of the normal distribution curve created by the data for these 6,000-plus generals, it's not even close. After 43 battles, he has a WAR score of more than 16, which blows the competition away. There can be no question: Napoleon is the greatest tactical general of all time, and the math proves it.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:21 am to RollTide1987
Are you mocking TulaneLSU or just trying to be like him?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:22 am to RollTide1987
quote:
Napoleon Bonaparte
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:23 am to RollTide1987
I think we had a discussion on this before. Not sure if the same methods were used but Napoleon was #1 on that list as well.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:23 am to RollTide1987
quote:
7. Ulysses S. Grant
Grant's performance commanding Union troops in 16 battles earned him the seventh spot on the list – and the U.S. presidency. Although his performance on the battlefield is clearly much better than those of his contemporaries, it should be noted that his Civil War arch-rival, Robert E. Lee, is so far below him on the list that he actually has a negative score.
Pulling that trigger
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:24 am to RollTide1987
Caesar never lost, though, let alone twice.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:24 am to RollTide1987
Not one with modern weaponry at their disposal ?
Thats silly
Thats silly
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:25 am to magildachunks
quote:Baws will be triggered
Robert E. Lee, is so far below him on the list that he actually has a negative score.
But its simply the truth. Stonewall Jackson was the true genius for the south, when he died so did any and all chances.
Lee didnt really know what the hell he was doing
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:25 am to RollTide1987
quote:everyone thinks he was so short..
Napoleon Bonaparte
People dont realize french inches were different than American inches
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:25 am to RollTide1987
Just finished a bio on Napoleon. Great look into his life and politics. No question he was unequal on the battlefield. The Egyption campaign was a little iffy, but still a great example of on the move thinking by a still very young officer.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:25 am to RollTide1987
quote:
1. Napoleon Bonaparte
Yes, you might have guessed by now, but the number one spot belongs to l'Empereur. Napoleon is so far ahead of the normal distribution curve created by the data for these 6,000-plus generals, it's not even close. After 43 battles, he has a WAR score of more than 16, which blows the competition away. There can be no question: Napoleon is the greatest tactical general of all time, and the math proves it.
Amazing case study of what happens when literally everyone invades you and you fight them off for a decade plus, simply because they don't like your government.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:25 am to RollTide1987
quote:
. Arthur Wellesley
Isn't that Ron's dad on Harry Potter?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:27 am to RollTide1987
quote:Greater than Napoleon.
Scipio Africanus
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:27 am to RollTide1987
I don't see anything wrong with that list.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:27 am to RollTide1987
General Tso is #1 in my book.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:28 am to HECM62
quote:
Just finished a bio on Napoleon.
Which one? I'm reading one now.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:29 am to RollTide1987
Where the frick is Patton?!?
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:32 am to RollTide1987
The spread of one’s DNA should be weighted heavily. Genghis Khan deserves a spot. He did the undoable.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:33 am to tigafan4life
quote:
Where the frick is Patton?!?
He didn't command in enough battles for the math to give him a weighted score.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News