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Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:07 pm to TDsngumbo
quote:I'm not against paying teachers at all. BUT cut the janitorial staff/PE - Art- Music Teachers/lunchroom staff while kids are learning remote.
You realize teachers still teach whether it's online or in person. And also, the vast majority of teachers can't wait to get back into the classroom.
Sit the frick down.
There's no need to pay custodians to clean 80% of the school with no kids, they can cut that crew down to the bare bones. PE/Art & Music teachers won't be teaching online. Why pay for food supplies and the staff to cook when kids aren't on campus?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:08 pm to TDsngumbo
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And also, the vast majority of teachers can't wait to get back into the classroom.
They better let their unions know ASAP because the opposite is being advocated on their behalf.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
Unemploy college professors. Let them starve.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:10 pm to RT1941
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PE/Art & Music teachers won't be teaching online.
How do you know this exactly?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:12 pm to BillyGibbons
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They do have a say here in St. Tammany where the school board’s decision to delay the start date has to be approved by the St. Tammany Federation of Teachers and School Employees.
How much of the decision to ignore that survey that showed two thirds support for full in person attendance was because of the union?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:15 pm to TDsngumbo
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You realize teachers still teach whether it's online or in person.
but why? Couldn't you have one person record the lesson, distribute that lesson to thousands of students, then have a computer program grade the assignments? Trying to make it any more than that is just a way to justify someone getting a paycheck. The parents are expected to make sure their kids keep up whether it's in-person or online.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:21 pm to Lebowski
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Lebowski
Who do I see about nominating someone for a Nobel peace prize?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:22 pm to skullhawk
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You realize teachers still teach whether it's online or in person.
quote:That's too easy and cost efficient.
but why? Couldn't you have one person record the lesson, distribute that lesson to thousands of students, then have a computer program grade the assignments? Trying to make it any more than that is just a way to justify someone getting a paycheck. The parents are expected to make sure their kids keep up whether it's in-person or online.
Seriously, if 4 teachers teach 100 third graders in person resulting in a 25:1 ratio, then why the hell couldn't 2 teachers teach 100 third graders on-line with a 50:1 ratio?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:30 pm to LSUisKING
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PE/Art & Music teachers won't be teaching online.
quote:Personal experience. None of them did shite for the 8-9 weeks in the spring when schools closed in my area.
How do you know this exactly?
Hell, the PE teachers were seen copying and correlating the weekly elementary "take home work packets" that only 50% of the kids or parents picked up and none were required to return them for grading.
IF kids aren't in the school, cut out the lunch ladies and food orders. Cut the janitorial staff by 75% - cut janitorial supplies by 95%. Cut utility expenses in half. Cut secretarial staff in half. THIS is a time to cut costs and use those savings to pour back into the school facilities.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:32 pm to TDsngumbo
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Sadly, when it comes to public schools, the disctrict you're in makes an enormous difference in the experience you and your students have
Pretty much. During 4th quarter in my district here in AZ while we online taught students were not allowed to have their grade drop from what they had 3rd quarter, we couldn't hold students accountable for showing up to classes online, and we weren't allowed to assign more than 20-30 mins of work per day.
I did the best I could having two hands tied behind my back, but it was a predictable shitshow.
We are starting online at least the first two weeks, and are supposed to be holding students accountable and taking attendance and following their actual schedules during this time period, but given how all over the place things are right now I have my doubts.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:35 pm to Lebowski
I’ve been working all week. I’ve already started online lessons with students, created online specific schedules for a program of over 120 students.
I’ll gladly take the money that I’ve earned, thanks.
I’ll gladly take the money that I’ve earned, thanks.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:46 pm to TDsngumbo
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You realize teachers still teach whether it's online or in person. And also, the vast majority of teachers can't wait to get back into the classroom.
I don't think they do
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:47 pm to RT1941
Well, let me dissuade of the notion that there’s a consistent 25:1 ration of students in the classroom. It’s usually about 30:1, which does make a difference.
I had 36 students for most of the year in one class because we literally couldn’t fill a position. Didn’t have enough desks.
During distance learning I was required to call parents, grade, post assignments, record lessons, and keep records of all of this.
None of that’s a problem, but if you asked me to double all of that, I definitely wouldn’t have the time to do it right.
Slightly unrelated, I never advocate for other professions to get cut or lose their jobs. It’s a bit absurd how many people (on here, because I know teacher hate in public is minuscule) wish I and other people straight up lose our jobs.
I had 36 students for most of the year in one class because we literally couldn’t fill a position. Didn’t have enough desks.
During distance learning I was required to call parents, grade, post assignments, record lessons, and keep records of all of this.
None of that’s a problem, but if you asked me to double all of that, I definitely wouldn’t have the time to do it right.
Slightly unrelated, I never advocate for other professions to get cut or lose their jobs. It’s a bit absurd how many people (on here, because I know teacher hate in public is minuscule) wish I and other people straight up lose our jobs.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:47 pm to RT1941
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then why the hell couldn't 2 teachers teach 100 third graders on-line with a 50:1 ratio?
Gee, maybe because these imaginary programs that grade every single for the teacher don't exist. Not every thing a student is doing in class is multiple choice or matching, or I sure as heck hope not, else your students are in some garbage schools. The computers aren't going to auto grade essays, short answers, or free response math problems where teachers need to see how students are working through problems and see where issues are.
And that's not even getting into the issues with laying off teachers and having them leave the profession and not coming back. Here in AZ we've had a shortage of over 2000 teachers the past 4-5 years, and another 4000+ positions are filled by teachers with no teaching background/training (and during my teaching time those types rarely make it past 2-3 years). If you think states can just drop teachers for a year and then be back to business as usual you are very much off on that, as most states do not have a multitude of applications for their positions. The really good districts would be fine, but the majority would be screwed.
Now on the classified staff you have a point, but if we wound up going to in person classes mid year and let go all our custodians we'd be once again screwed. Most schools seem to be playing it by ear, even the ones that are planning online for the first quarter. These aren't positions that can really typically be filled on a drop of a hat.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:52 pm to Lebowski
When they have their paychecks threatened they will change their tune about re-opening pretty quickly. Watch
Posted on 7/24/20 at 2:53 pm to Lebowski
I'm going to be pissed if my school decides not to open. I don't care for the virtual stuff - I teach Chemistry and Physics.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:00 pm to Jesterea
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Well, let me dissuade of the notion that there’s a consistent 25:1 ration of students in the classroom. It’s usually about 30:1, which does make a difference.
I had 36 students for most of the year in one class because we literally couldn’t fill a position. Didn’t have enough desks.
During distance learning I was required to call parents, grade, post assignments, record lessons, and keep records of all of this.
None of that’s a problem, but if you asked me to double all of that, I definitely wouldn’t have the time to do it right.
Slightly unrelated, I never advocate for other professions to get cut or lose their jobs. It’s a bit absurd how many people (on here, because I know teacher hate in public is minuscule) wish I and other people straight up lose our jobs.
Good post.
I dont think people understand why online learning is the predominant choice.
A school cant afford to operate 80% of capacity (classroom size). If they could, they would have that as the standard... not the exception.
Schools cant afford to operate in the red. There isnt a slush of funds that have been set aside for all of the prior school profits that can be used for this year.
The good teachers that I know were working 10 to 12 hour days during last spring. I'm sure that may have been 20% of the teachers (not 80%). But those that care about the outcomes for their students went above and beyond.
Too many people are angry and look to lash out at anything that moves. That goes for the Orange Man Bad crowd and the MAGAs, too. I shouldn't be surprised by a lack of civility and understanding (or patience to reach understanding) on a website called tigerdroppings.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:00 pm to Lebowski
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Don’t pay teachers to not teach!
Will still be teaching from home tard
Posted on 7/24/20 at 3:03 pm to Jesterea
quote:YOU are a champ and I commend you. That is an unrealistic ratio for a single teacher.
Well, let me dissuade of the notion that there’s a consistent 25:1 ration of students in the classroom. It’s usually about 30:1, which does make a difference.
I had 36 students for most of the year in one class because we literally couldn’t fill a position. Didn’t have enough desks.
quote:Are you not allowed an aide? Or a senior elementary college student to help?
During distance learning I was required to call parents, grade, post assignments, record lessons, and keep records of all of this.
None of that’s a problem, but if you asked me to double all of that, I definitely wouldn’t have the time to do it right.
quote:I'm always about cost saving in operations and staffing.
Slightly unrelated, I never advocate for other professions to get cut or lose their jobs. It’s a bit absurd how many people (on here, because I know teacher hate in public is minuscule) wish I and other people straight up lose our jobs.
Janitorial staff are easily replaced and the full compliment of custodians are not needed when a school has no students to clean up after. Lunchroom staffers and the astronomical food supplies aren't needed if there are no students to cook meals for. Why cool/heat empty classrooms? SAVE that money and pour it back into the school facilities or curriculum advancement.
Please tell me what custodians and lunch ladies will be doing when there are no students? Why pay for food supplies when there's no one to eat it?
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