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re: Don’t pay teachers to not teach!
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:07 pm to auyushu
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:07 pm to auyushu
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30+ students is the normal ratio for a single teacher these days. I typically average around 32-33 students per class. I usually have 2 classes with 35-36, two around 32, and one outlier that has 28ish. That's been the case every year of the 7 I've taught.
This is very informative because I don’t think a lot of people are aware.
I’ve always thought the most important factor to a school’s success is that ratio. Every outlier class I’ve ever had of 25 or less excelled.
You want to fix education in a lot of areas, attract more teachers.
Once you get 33-36 in a class, it is pretty much babysitting. Even if they’re behaved, you can’t give them even the slightest inch or you’ve lost them.
Sorry for the double posts.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:10 pm to Uptowner
We should ignore all Texans RE:COVID until their cluster-frick of a state gets its shite together.
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Bwaaaaaaa haha!!!! Sez the guy stuck in LA
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Bwaaaaaaa haha!!!! Sez the guy stuck in LA
Posted on 7/24/20 at 6:46 pm to Jesterea
Thank you. Was waiting for someone to reply to these idiots with no soul. Do they not realize that teachers have house notes, car notes, kids to feed just like other professionals.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:12 am to Lebowski
I can say our district has already decided if schools “close” again we won’t be getting paid. Which I understand would seem like an obvious choice. Except that schools never closed in the first place. They just forced a transition to online. From March to May we were holding zoom classes, finding was to have creative assignments online. Having to learn new online curriculums. I understand for larger schools and universities, they have a pretty solid handle on online teaching. Smaller schools like us were near clueless. Not to mention low income areas like ours, half the population did not have internet access or laptops so we had to hand print the online material and mail deliver to students. I’m not complaining about what we had to do that’s just what the situation demanded.
And I can promise you if schools have to “close” again, we will be doing it the same way but with more experience and more successfully. And from what it sounds, having to do it for free.
And I can promise you if schools have to “close” again, we will be doing it the same way but with more experience and more successfully. And from what it sounds, having to do it for free.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 2:56 am to Lebowski
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Don’t pay teachers to not teach!
You must have a very elementary understanding of what all teachers actually do (pun intended)...
A teacher’s job doesn’t stop when they’re no longer physically in the classroom. They have to do lesson-planning, grade papers, homework, tests, etc. outside of the classroom. Also, like many professions, they have to recertify every so often, do a lot of CEs, go to workshops, stock supplies, and decorate their classrooms at their principal’s behest. The majority of these expenses teachers will pay for out-of-pocket. Teachers are now learning all about Zoom and other web-based delivery services due to Covid. Not to mention the teachers in Louisiana, chiefly the ones in the public school system, deal with a lot of less-than-stellar parents. They also deal with a bunch of headaches due to the State. So, yeah, I’m happy a lot of them got to chill out for a little while and still get paid. They absolutely deserve it.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 3:59 am to BrohanDavey
i don't have school age kids. i wish they would not waste my tax money on schools or teachers or free lunch.
get off my lawn!!!!!
get off my lawn!!!!!
Posted on 7/25/20 at 7:48 am to LSUisKING
I’m a teacher. My school system is going back August 10.
Now, the teacher’s union, in cities run by democrats, are most definitely a big factor is these school system’s reopening process. Just look at EBR Parish schools. The teacher’s union is against the reopening and they got their way.
Now, the teacher’s union, in cities run by democrats, are most definitely a big factor is these school system’s reopening process. Just look at EBR Parish schools. The teacher’s union is against the reopening and they got their way.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 7:51 am
Posted on 7/25/20 at 8:06 am to TDsngumbo
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You realize teachers still teach whether it's online or in person.
Not only that but my wife's class went from 27 students, to 27 students 20 idiot parents that she had to teach basic internet skills to. Some parents would call or text early in the morning or late at night and expect a response immediately. Most teachers would love to be in their classrooms with their kids and only have to deal with parents regular business hours again.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 8:07 am to Jesterea
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This is very informative because I don’t think a lot of people are aware.
I’ve always thought the most important factor to a school’s success is that ratio. Every outlier class I’ve ever had of 25 or less excelled.
You want to fix education in a lot of areas, attract more teachers.
Once you get 33-36 in a class, it is pretty much babysitting. Even if they’re behaved, you can’t give them even the slightest inch or you’ve lost them.
Sorry for the double posts.
The tax payers and administrators dont want to do the smaller class sizes.
I am on a governance council for a small community system. We were pitched going charter over a decade ago for more funds. The primary use of charter has been an exemption in the county on class sizes (we are larger than the state allows). As a small system, there are overhead costs that cant be spread out due to student enrollment numbers. Even with the charter exemption, we are one of the most expensive per pupil budgets.
Taxpayers have no interest in bringing more money to schools to knock down class sizes.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 8:07 am to skullhawk
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but why? Couldn't you have one person record the lesson, distribute that lesson to thousands of students, then have a computer program grade the assignments? Trying to make it any more than that is just a way to justify someone getting a paycheck. The parents are expected to make sure their kids keep up whether it's in-person or online.
Because 1.this isn't college. Kids need feedback or they can become frustrated. Secondly a computer program can't grade writing assignments or give partial credit on assignment. If you have taken an online course you would know the only thing graded automatically would be a multiple choice quiz/test....nothing else would be accurate or beneficial to learning.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 8:23 am to Jesterea
This is going to create more work for teachers, not less.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 12:25 pm to meansonny
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The tax payers and administrators dont want to do the smaller class sizes.
I am on a governance council for a small community system. We were pitched going charter over a decade ago for more funds. The primary use of charter has been an exemption in the county on class sizes (we are larger than the state allows). As a small system, there are overhead costs that cant be spread out due to student enrollment numbers. Even with the charter exemption, we are one of the most expensive per pupil budgets.
Taxpayers have no interest in bringing more money to schools to knock down class sizes.
Oh, I know it would be more expensive. I'm just saying it would dramatically improve things.
People not wanting to shell out the cash necessary are entitled to their own feelings on the subject.
I'd say one way to save costs is to fricking start cutting waste in the budgets, but they'd rather cut teaching positions than anything else to make room.
fricking central offices man. If anyone wants to see what waste looks like in education, head over to South Foster Drive.
This post was edited on 7/25/20 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:17 pm to LSUisKING
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Teachers don't decide if schools open. Get your head out of your arse.
But apparently Teacher's Unions do
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:32 pm to Pete Sapigh
You mother frickers that constantly post this shite are clueless. Most teachers are scrambling right now to learn google classroom and put together lessons they can virtually teach as in them on a video conference having the students actually log in. It won’t be like last school year where it’s just a packet sent home it will be actual instruction. Trust me they will be working and actually have to work more In some cases to completely redesign their lessons for the semester.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:36 pm to gsvar2004
they’ve had 4 months to do so. boohoo.
my wife is a teacher. before you pop off with anything dumb.
my wife is a teacher. before you pop off with anything dumb.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:40 pm to Klark Kent
Bro my wife is a teacher too. Up til last week her Principal was dead set they were going back to school period. Told them they didn’t need to have online plans bc in person WAS going to happen. So no bruh they didn’t have 4 months.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 5:42 pm to Klark Kent
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they’ve had 4 months to do so. boohoo.
my wife is a teacher. before you pop off with anything dumb.
Sounds like a recipe for a great relationship
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:01 pm to Jesterea
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fricking central offices man. If anyone wants to see what waste looks like in education, h
No doubt, but a ton of that waste is due to NCLB and the hoops admin have to jump through to comply with it and retain funding. So we wind up with a bazillion garbage data, instructional growth teacher, and curriculum related positions that are fairly worthless for actually improving student learning, and waste funds that could be used for classrooms and to hire more teachers to reduce class sizes.
Mind you, here in AZ a ton of the problem is also lack of spending on education in general(we've been in the 7000 thousand per student range for most of the last decade, either last or second to last every year, which is pathetic and over 4 thousand below the national average of 12k). In places that are above the national average waste is probably more of a larger portion of the problem.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:18 pm to gsvar2004
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Most teachers are scrambling right now to learn google classroom
My 2nd grader could teach them
Posted on 7/25/20 at 6:21 pm to LSUisKING
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Teachers don't decide if schools open. Get your head out of your arse.
Well they need to let their union reps know because their union has stated that they should never go back to school.
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