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Does our instant society result in desire for instant justice?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:14 pm
Sen. Chris Coons asked "Why is it taking so long to charge Minneapolis officer?". LINK
Riots have been happening for 3 days over an incident that happened just 4 days ago.
Got me to thinking about the swiftness (or lack thereof) of the wheels of justice. The old phrase is something like "The wheels of justice turn slow, but exceedingly fine" I believe.
I've never seen a high profile investigation wrap up in 24-48 hours like so many pundits seem to want. Is is because we in this day and age are accustomed to pushing a button and getting pretty much instant results? In cases like this, there is no button. Surely, investigators want to cross the Ts and dot the Is to eliminate any miscarriage of justice or technicalities from occurring. Tell me where I'm wrong.
Riots have been happening for 3 days over an incident that happened just 4 days ago.
Got me to thinking about the swiftness (or lack thereof) of the wheels of justice. The old phrase is something like "The wheels of justice turn slow, but exceedingly fine" I believe.
I've never seen a high profile investigation wrap up in 24-48 hours like so many pundits seem to want. Is is because we in this day and age are accustomed to pushing a button and getting pretty much instant results? In cases like this, there is no button. Surely, investigators want to cross the Ts and dot the Is to eliminate any miscarriage of justice or technicalities from occurring. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:38 pm to NineLineBind
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Does our instant society result in desire for instant justice?
Personally, I think some instant justice might slow some crimes down... However, the application of that justice will eventually become corrupt, even if it starts pure in the beginning...
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:39 pm to NineLineBind
I mean, if you choked someone to death on video while surrounded by police officers, how many days would it take for them to arrest you? They’d probably arrest you first and then decide what to charge you with. Why are police afforded this long slow benefit of the doubt legal process that ordinary citizens aren’t given?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:40 pm to The Maj
Coons wants to keep the mob angry.
When Pelosi talks about every crisis representing an opportunity, she means it. This is how the left takes power in almost every historical case...civil unrest, mob violence and ultimately brutal authoritarianism.
When Pelosi talks about every crisis representing an opportunity, she means it. This is how the left takes power in almost every historical case...civil unrest, mob violence and ultimately brutal authoritarianism.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:41 pm to The Maj
Agree with that. It's deliberative on purpose.
Obligatory "I AM the law!"
Obligatory "I AM the law!"
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:41 pm to kingbob
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afforded this long slow benefit of the doubt legal process that ordinary citizens aren’t given?
Well... I hate to break it to you...
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:46 pm to kingbob
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Why are police afforded this long slow benefit of the doubt legal process that ordinary citizens aren’t given?
Why do Chris Coons and half of America only give a crap when it's a case they can virtue signal about? Does he think this is new?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:46 pm to The Maj
Exactly, it took them several days to arrest him, where a citizen would have immediately been in cuffs.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:48 pm to NineLineBind
No one gives a shite about justice
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:48 pm to Flats
Because they’re pushing an agenda to sow racial tensions in an election year, but that doesn’t delegitimize my argument.
Why does it always take so long to arrest and press charges against people in the government and those who are wealthy while regular citizens are arrested first and then have charges levied after the fact? When it’s one of “them”, suddenly, the government tries to find every excuse possible to not arrest, charge, or convict like OJ trying on a glove.
Why does it always take so long to arrest and press charges against people in the government and those who are wealthy while regular citizens are arrested first and then have charges levied after the fact? When it’s one of “them”, suddenly, the government tries to find every excuse possible to not arrest, charge, or convict like OJ trying on a glove.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:48 pm to NineLineBind
Mobs have always been a bad thing, in every context. Mobs have no conscience or thought, they just destroy.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:49 pm to kingbob
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Exactly, it took them several days to arrest him, where a citizen would have immediately been in cuffs.
Yeah, understand but you really need to go back and read what you wrote... Don't get mad with me, you wrote it, I just pointed it out...
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:52 pm to kingbob
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I mean, if you choked someone to death on video while surrounded by police officers, how many days would it take for them to arrest you? They’d probably arrest you first and then decide what to charge you with. Why are police afforded this long slow benefit of the doubt legal process that ordinary citizens aren’t given?
I guess another way of putting it is, I want the prosecutors to get it right, not just go fast for the sake of political optics. Surely they have spent this time interviewing people on the street and going through cell phone video and other data.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:55 pm to The Maj
How our legal system works for most people is you get arrested first, they decide what to charge you with, there’s a bail hearing, and then you either are able to make bail or you sit in jail until trial. At trial, the prosecution must prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
However, they only need probable cause to arrest you in the first place. I’m asking, why is someone who appears to have killed someone on video walking around free for several days? Jail exists to hold potentially dangerous people like that in custody until their day in court. Why does the system seem to work backwards for the wealthy and those in government?
However, they only need probable cause to arrest you in the first place. I’m asking, why is someone who appears to have killed someone on video walking around free for several days? Jail exists to hold potentially dangerous people like that in custody until their day in court. Why does the system seem to work backwards for the wealthy and those in government?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:55 pm to NineLineBind
Instant justice was gone when we went to the 25 year wait between being sentenced to death and being executed.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:57 pm to kingbob
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However, they only need probable cause to arrest you in the first place. I’m asking, why is someone who appears to have killed someone on video walking around free for several days? Jail exists to hold potentially dangerous people like that in custody until their day in court. Why does the system seem to work backwards for the wealthy and those in government?
And why do so many supposed conservatives feel the need to not acknowledge that this is simply wrong.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:57 pm to NineLineBind
You don’t have to charge him when you arrest him. You can arrest the guy and hold him for 48 hrs while you decide what to charge him with. You can then change your charges after the fact as new evidence comes to light. There’s no reason for a potential murderer to be allowed to walk around freely.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 12:58 pm to NineLineBind
Do you think George Floyd deserved the same justice (due process) you are advocating with respect to the police officer?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:00 pm to kingbob
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Why are police afforded this long slow benefit of the doubt legal process that ordinary citizens aren’t given?
I would guess due to one of the left's favorite groups to cater to, Unions. We do not know what their police union may have bargained for in terms of representation and the manner in which they are charged, etc. I would imagine that would be a topic that is covered. It's no different than an athlete still being able to play after a DUI or Domestic Violence arrest. It all depends on the rules that are collectively bargained.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:02 pm to NineLineBind
This will not end well.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 1:08 pm
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