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re: 7,890 deaths in NYC as of this morning. How many w/o underlying conditions?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:04 pm to blueboy
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:04 pm to blueboy
The real sin here is the poor leadership by the new York governor and the mayor of NYC.
They have about a quarter of the deaths from the whole country at this point.
They didn't do anything about this but rail on trump before it was too late. No matter what they did after that, they did themselves into such a big hole they couldn't get out.
But t they will skate and they will blame trump.
They have about a quarter of the deaths from the whole country at this point.
They didn't do anything about this but rail on trump before it was too late. No matter what they did after that, they did themselves into such a big hole they couldn't get out.
But t they will skate and they will blame trump.
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:06 pm to Ag Zwin
Note that obesity itself is not listed as an underlying condition. Consider that there may be even few normal people dying in NYC.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:37 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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NYC stats are no better than ChiCom stats. Same ideology governs them.
NYC population 9 million 8000 deaths
Shanghai population 28 million 423 deaths
Both are liars
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:40 pm to Ag Zwin
ageist!!!!!
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:32 pm to buckeye_vol
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100% of the 7,890 are confirmed COVID deaths
“With” =/= “From”
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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100% of the 7,890 are confirmed COVID deaths, with an additional 4309 probable COVID deaths, and an additional 3,500+ excess deaths above normal deaths expectations that aren’t included.
Why would you add excess deaths? Seems to me you're double-counting COVID deaths by doing that.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:46 pm to Ag Zwin
At least one of those was the guy who jumped off a skyscraper. Died of COVID-19 when he got to the bottom...
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:46 pm to David_DJS
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Why would you add excess deaths? Seems to me you're double-counting COVID deaths by doing that.
Because the excess deaths are not counted as COVID, have no cause cited, but occurred parallel to NYC's peak deaths.
Are all 3500+ COVID deaths? No
Are a substantial portion? Yes, probably.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:48 pm to David_DJS
quote:I’m not adding them; I’m just noting that even excluding the confirmed and probable deaths, there were still more deaths per day than expected (~147), a significant 68% increase.
Why would you add excess deaths? Seems to me you're double-counting COVID deaths by doing that.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:49 pm to Bulldogblitz
quote:She didn’t need that marble rye.
ageist!!!!!
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:49 pm to Ag Zwin
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With” =/= “From”
What are any of those people’s odds of dying in a 20-day stretch? Pretty slim. The fact that they’re dying with Covid seems to be significant.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:00 pm to the808bass
quote:I have written novels around here trying to explain this to people. Many just have their minds made up that all of these people were just going to die any minute regardless.
What are any of those people’s odds of dying in a 20-day stretch? Pretty slim. The fact that they’re dying with Covid seems to be significant.
Obese people live for decades. People live with heart disease for decades. Hypertension, etc. People live for a long time with all of these conditions combined. I cannot fathom the level of ignorance or denial required to think that a significant number of these people are not dying due to covid. Or they will move the goalposts "did they die of covid alone?!" as if that matters.
You can even point out that the daily/weekly death tolls due to all causes in places like NYC are significantly higher than expected, as has been done in this thread, and it doesn't matter. Either the numbers are fake or all of those people were going to die anyway, against all odds.
It's crazy.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:01 pm to Ag Zwin
3 people under 18 died?
Bull
shite
Bull
shite
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:08 pm to Korkstand
quote:Actuarial mortality tables are quite telling as well. A 70-year-old has a 2.3% chance of dying with a 12-month-period and a life expectancy of 14.4 years. And that’s despite a good chance of having one of those many “preexisting conditions” that people so often focus on.
I have written novels around here trying to explain this to people. Many just have their minds made up that all of these people were just going to die any minute regardless.
Yet, one gets COVID-19 and dies with a few weeks, people argue “he was likely to die soon anyways because he was old and had a preexisting condition that as in fact the cause of death.”
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:10 pm to the808bass
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What are any of those people’s odds of dying in a 20-day stretch? Pretty slim. The fact that they’re dying with Covid seems to be significant.
I think this is part of this whole show that's under-reported and probably under-studied. I wouldn't frame it quite like you do, though. I think you look at a period of time greater than the apparent "COVID period." In other words, does it really matter if a person dies over a 20-day stretch with the virus rather than six weeks (or six months or even a year) later without it? In the context of what we've done in response to the virus, I don't think it would.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:12 pm to David_DJS
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In other words, does it really matter if a person dies over a 20-day stretch with the virus rather than six weeks (or six months or even a year) later without it? In the context of what we've done in response to the virus, I don't think it would.
Expand it out to 6 months. You’ll still not have the number of deaths.
That’s a separate argument from “is what we did worth it?”
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:13 pm to buckeye_vol
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Actuarial mortality tables are quite telling as well. A 70-year-old has a 2.3% chance of dying with a 12-month-period and a life expectancy of 14.4 years. And that’s despite a good chance of having one of those many “preexisting conditions” that people so often focus on.
That's not the right test, though.
What's the mortality rate for an 80 yo man with BMI of 40, who has suffered two heart attacks and suffers and struggles with COPD?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:13 pm to David_DJS
It actually is the right test.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:17 pm to the808bass
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Expand it out to 6 months. You’ll still not have the number of deaths.
I'm not trying to equal (or equate) the number of deaths. I don't think any rational person thinks COVID isn't deadly all by itself. We're talking perspective here. I'm probably more into the "was it worth it" debate than you are.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
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It actually is the right test.
Why would COVID's mortality rate be compared to the mortality rate of the typical/average 70 yo? The typical/average COVID victim is not a typical 70 yo.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 2:20 pm
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