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re: Who here has taken the LSAT?

Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:18 pm to
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:18 pm to
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I looked at some of the Reddit posts but it just seemed like people were so full of shite. Most are posting that they got a 170 as a cold diagnostic. I’ll continue browsing it I guess to see if there’s more info.


Bunch of dumbasses lie on the internet, nothing new. There was a great thread on here about 10 years ago where some shmuck was trying to convince people he had a near perfect LSAT score, went to Southern, and was making 500k at some BigLaw job right after. There was MUCH truth in that thread

Inflating your LSAT score to impress people is stupid, nobody gives a frick after Day 1 of 1L year. I knew people with 150s who were order of the Coif and people with 170s who had no business being in law school and found themselves in the bottom 10%. LSAT score means nothing and everyone knows it.
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:30 pm to
This sounds like a pretty decent plan. Nobody can tell you how to study, bc everybody's strengths and weaknesses are different. It looks like powerscore is still making really good prep material. Get your hands on those.

But, remember, your practice scores will generally be a lot higher than gameday. You can expect around a 5 point, more or less, drop between where you are practicing and your score on test day.

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My biggest improvement was in logic games/AR, no question. I've always been pretty strong on reading comprehension and logical reasoning was fairly easy for me. For most of those three months, pretty much all I did was logic games over, and over, and over again, with an LR or RC section thrown in here and there. I use the word "grind" for a reason, that's what it was, just an absolute grind. I don't really know how to explain it but eventually it clicked and I started seeing the deductions and inferences I needed.

As far as my study plan, the first thing I did was read the Powerscore bibles, all three. For LR, all I had to do was familiarize myself with how they structure questions and the common types, nothing special there. For RC, I actually had to slow myself down, when I first started studying I was reading quickly, almost skimming, which I often do day-to-day. I was completing RC sections in well under five minutes, but getting a few questions wrong. So, I slowed it down and got my timing down and that was pretty much it for RC. I did some fine-tuning toward the end of studying, but I can't offer much advice for people having trouble with RC or LR as those were fairly easy for me.

As for the AR section, after reading (and doing all of the drills in) the Powerscore bible I was still having trouble. Typically, I'd say I was getting maybe 12-14 questions right in a full AR section. Also, I was running out of time at the end of the section when I did timed practice, so building speed was important. I read the Blueprint Logic Games book as well, did all the drills in that, and used kind of a hybrid system between the two for diagramming, just whatever made sense to me.

I registered back in October, and started doing the Khan Academy prep course, which was great for me. I set my goal score as 176 and practiced nearly every day, taking a few days off when I felt burned out and after each full practice test. I put in anywhere from half an hour to three hours plus, almost every day.

I think the key was actually practicing logic games without any time limit or time pressure at all, for a long time. You can't build speed until you've reached the point where you can get almost every logic game 100% if you stare at it long enough, I had to focus on working through them s-l-o-w-l-y, then start worrying about speed for maybe the last month. Even then, I wasn't rushing, I was more worried about seeing every deduction and understanding the structure of the game than about time.

Slow, steady grinding, for me, was the key for logic games. Probably not a very satisfactory answer, but it worked, eventually. It definitely wasn't easy, even up until the last few weeks before the LSAT I was running into games that just did not fit in my mind. If you know that one with the circular table and a number of couples who can't sit next to each other, and other restrictions on who each can sit next to, I was hitting a brick wall on that until basically the week before the LSAT.

One note, with Khan Academy, I recommend ignoring their recommendations on difficulty level, at least to an extent. After I got to the point where I could get 100% (taking my time), it started recommending only advanced games. Unfortunately, there aren't that many of those available, so I eventually hit a point where I was seeing the same six games or so over and over again. That's good at first, working through the same game until you see what makes it tick, but you also need some variety. So I started doing mostly easy and medium difficulty games toward the end of my study plan, and found that some of them were actually harder for me than the more "advanced" games. I was absolutely nailing complex over/underbooked combo games, then being stumped by a basic ordering game the next second. Which game is more difficult is sometimes subjective. For me, absolutely the most difficult games are often straight ordering games with a large number of players and conditional rules. So I put some extra time into those.

Ultimately, I took all ten practice tests, and actually choked on the very last one I took before the actual LSAT, scored a 169. The best I did in practice before that was 176, also scored several other mid-170s.

Morning of the LSAT was almost a disaster, I set my alarm on the phone but somehow left by bluetooth earbuds connected, so I overslept. I owe my girlfriend one hell of a favor for waking me up in time. I did a warm-up that morning, one each logic game, reading comprehension and a couple of logical reasoning questions, had a healthy breakfast and a moderate amount of caffeine.

That's a long, rambling response but I hope some of it is useful, if you've got any questions I'd be happy to try to answer.


Eta:
This is where reddit will be useful. The link in that post looks like a good start on the logical reasoning section.

LINK
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 6:38 pm
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40759 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:41 pm to
165 and I was pissed
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:49 pm to
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TDcline


libgen link to some goodies

Let me know when you get this figured out.

Just click the title, click the title again, and then click get.
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:51 pm to
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How’d you score?


178

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This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 9:31 am
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12522 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:53 pm to
I took it in 1979. Back then there were no preparatory classes. I remember buying a couple of big, thick study guides and reading them when I could find the time. We used a different grading system back then but I did fine. The process was a lot less sophisticated than it is now. I know this is no help to you today, but at least I had an answer to the question. Good luck.
Posted by Fab4Freddy
Member since Nov 2011
1733 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:56 pm to
Same and same score. I didn't finish it I remember. Was like, what the hell was that test?!
Posted by tkeefer
TX
Member since Apr 2004
1121 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 6:59 pm to
Don't recall the score, but it was enough to get in.

Now that I think about it, the test seemed really strange for the purpose.
This post was edited on 4/26/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:35 pm to
I got a 160, which is good but not great.

Logic problems are just not my forte. I got a perfect 800 on the math part of the GRE, and a 730 on the verbal, but logic problems... nah. Too frickin' wordy.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53732 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:38 pm to
My friend who is a way better test taker than me and way smarter finished in that range with me. The one thing I will say about the prep courses is they taught me time management. I improved my score a lot from what I was doing early. My genius friend didn't really change much.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112751 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:39 pm to
You jerked off while typing that lie, didn’t you?
This post was edited on 4/16/20 at 8:40 pm
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:40 pm to
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Now that I think about it, the test seemed really strange for the purpose.


Yes, I thought that too.

The GRE used to have a section that was very similar to the LSAT, but it didn't last long. Scores varied too much or something.
Posted by Moretiger
OKC
Member since Aug 2013
91 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:07 pm to
I also HIGHLY recommend Powerscore.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49341 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:11 pm to
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It was hard

Posted by Dat Boi Bruce
15th Judicial District
Member since Mar 2020
644 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 10:57 pm to
I made a 156 on the real thing, but I was steadily scoring 165 on the practice tests.

Also, the LSAT is a joke.
Posted by Dat Boi Bruce
15th Judicial District
Member since Mar 2020
644 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:00 pm to
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I scored a 46.
But the scoring starts at 120?
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:35 pm to
Why tf did this get down voted so much? What am I missing?

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I was a lazy pos and never took full, timed tests; however, I was consistently in the high 160's and low 170's when I combined the individual timed sections. With that said, you absolutely want to practice practice practice in a timed environment. Not being a lazy arse will pay off.

I told him not to be a lazy arse like me. I never took a timed full exam but I would take timed individual sections. He wants to take several timed exams just like a test day.

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That was a long arse time ago, so I don't remember specifics about my preparation, but I do know that my bubble filling game was weak af on my second try.

It was a long arse time ago, and I don't remember my preparation very well. Also, I dropped 11 points, bc my dumbass swapped two sections when I bubbled.

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Get cold at setting up the game section. That is one section that practice will greatly increase your score. I think I used the logic games bible by powerscore and was generally close to perfect on those sections when I didn't go full retard with the bubbles.

This is true. A lot of people get a damn near perfect score on the games. A lot of practice in this section is a good thing.

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If the test has changed a lot since the early 00's, don't waste time reading any of this bullshite.

I should have put this at the beginning.
Posted by hogfan870
Member since Oct 2011
80 posts
Posted on 4/16/20 at 11:44 pm to
I took it in 1997. I did zero prep and got a 172. I had a bad grade point from having screwed around so much during my 7 years (with semesters off here and there, including one for rehab) of undergraduate, so I wanted a true raw score to help me decide if I really wanted to go to law school and if I had a chance of succeeding if I went.

I have been practicing law for almost 19 years now and still enjoy it. I find it to be a very liberating career. I have law partners, and there are those pesky judges telling you what to do, but I really love being my own boss. I would probably feel like I worked too much if I was working for someone else, and not making as much money as I do.

A lot of people don’t enjoy it as a career, and a lot of lawyers aren’t very good at it. I haven’t ever gone back and counted, but I would guess that less than half of my graduating class is currently practicing law.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25870 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:11 am to
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I scored a 46.
But the scoring starts at 120?


Oh, you younguns, you think the world started when you were born. There was a time in ancient history when the LSAT score range was 10-48 and before that in pre-historic times the range was 200-800.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 4/17/20 at 3:14 am to
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I scored a 46.


That would put you down n the 99.7 percentile.
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