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re: Video of relieved Captain, Brett Crozier, disembarking the USS Roosevelt
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:09 pm to DOPEman
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:09 pm to DOPEman
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Can you provide concrete examples of this? If you can that's pretty poor OPSEC on China's part.
They are ramping up ops in the disputed areas of the ocean
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There it is. Hope it doesn't affect our lethality too.
Foreign intelligence services learned nothing they didn't already know from that email.
ETA: I'm not taking a shot at you fwiw, I know from personal real world experience the consequences of poor OPSEC. I just think that this is a unique situation and if we're looking at it from a threat based methodology COVID-19 is the pressing issue. Sometimes a tactical pause is necessary.
Tons of people in the military are just staying home or units are minimum manned
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Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:09 pm to DOPEman
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He said publicly known, as in if you were inclined to know you could have found the information out. It wasn't a big deal until this Captain pens the memo and gets canned and then you have all these people running around screaming OPSEC
Exactly, the public knowing is irrelevant. China knew as soon as the carrier pulled into Guam. You can't hide a carrier, anybody on the island of Guam could have said hey the Roosevelt pulled in.
People are making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be. It's an internal Navy matter. The CO thought his crew needed to be quarantined, apparently Big Navy didn't. The CO chose to give up his command for the safety of his crew.
China is not attacking Pearl Harbor tomorrow morning because of this.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:12 pm to Obtuse1
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Legit curious. In your opinion, what is then?
If we are talking about a carrier group that is one discussion, but if it is just the carrier itself I would say an SSBN (boomer) is the most potent of any single entity.
Errbody on the internet knows it's an A-10.
Maybe with an SR-71 wingman.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posturing occurs constantly in the South China Sea. Like Hurricane Mike said people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is. This pandemic isn’t unique to US forces.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:30 pm to Catchfalaya
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The most potent weapons system on the face of the planet
And it will never see the sub that sinks it...
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:35 pm to Sao
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I'll be your only upvote as of now. I've never served and if that's your opinion I'll respect it. I think the Captain did what he felt was best for his men. He's no idiot. He's just the next Richard Jewell if I had to guess. fricked over until otherwise proven.
We really don't want our military leaders doing "what he feels is best for his men" if that is contrary to what his superiors are telling him when he makes the case for "what's best".
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:51 pm to DOPEman
I have no doubt the Captain’s heart was in the right place but he was the commander of a US Navy warship.For this to get out to the media was a huge mistake ,in my opinion.I was in the Navy (enlisted) and I was taught that the mission was more important than than the man.I kinda always understood I was considered expendable.Not necessarily a great feeling but it was what it was.
I don’t think China was going to suddenly attack us because a carrier was out of commission but I do think terrorists knowing this might have been emboldened to carry out an attack.
Part of our military posture is to give the impression to our enemies that we are on the alert at all times and that you attack us at your peril.
I don’t think China was going to suddenly attack us because a carrier was out of commission but I do think terrorists knowing this might have been emboldened to carry out an attack.
Part of our military posture is to give the impression to our enemies that we are on the alert at all times and that you attack us at your peril.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 1:01 pm to DOPEman
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This pandemic has really exposed what many of us who are serving/have served have known for years. Leadership at all levels in the Military is rife with nepotism and yes men. Results, tactical and technical proficiency and the welfare of those under their command have taken a backseat to green excel spreadsheets, reporting "readiness" and making superiors happy no matter what.
Hopefully we can pull some good out of this in the way of reform but I doubt it. Hats off to you Captain Crozier and the other leaders in the Military like you. It's a damn shame.
Agree with all, however I believe the issue in this case was he went outside the chain of command and went to the media. Its not necessarily his position on the issue as much as his methods that got him in trouble. The precedent it sets is problematic.
Posted on 4/3/20 at 3:50 pm to DevilDagNS
I'm not seeing a big deal here.
Dude saw a problem Dude requested help. Dude didn't feel like response, if any, was adequate. Dude weighed his options. Dude knew to do nothing would cost impact his sailors. Dude knew to do what he did would cost him his job. Dude knew that what he was disclosing wasn't anything that the world didn't know already. So while technically it breaks the rules, it wouldn't compromise anything more than his career and he viewed his sailors' health as worth the sacrifice.
Dude saw a problem Dude requested help. Dude didn't feel like response, if any, was adequate. Dude weighed his options. Dude knew to do nothing would cost impact his sailors. Dude knew to do what he did would cost him his job. Dude knew that what he was disclosing wasn't anything that the world didn't know already. So while technically it breaks the rules, it wouldn't compromise anything more than his career and he viewed his sailors' health as worth the sacrifice.
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