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re: This is Birx and Fauci’s escape hatch
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:01 am to CelticDog
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:01 am to CelticDog
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oh no. he was worried about the relationship between the economy and reelection.
Only a liberal looks at what's happening with the economy and thinks the most important part of that is how it relates to the election.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:03 am to moneyg
Ottololololol is not a liberal
Raging radical progressive
Raging radical progressive
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:16 am to roadGator
if you listen to Trump, Birx, Fauchi, and Pence their message is pretty clear.
Add Journalists that try to question with "gotcha" moments and things begin to appear less clear. These Journalists are at a peak in their careers trying to make a buck and are privileged to be in that room. They could write more constructively.
We see lists of cases and deaths. Do we hear about cases recovered? Perspective is vital.
Add Journalists that try to question with "gotcha" moments and things begin to appear less clear. These Journalists are at a peak in their careers trying to make a buck and are privileged to be in that room. They could write more constructively.
We see lists of cases and deaths. Do we hear about cases recovered? Perspective is vital.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:17 am to Boatshoes
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...so in other words quarantines work. Humanity has only known this for, what, thousands of years now?
Social distancing is not a quarantine, but I haven’t seen anybody suggest that it won’t have an impact. I’ve seen people who want to discuss the cost of the impact. I’ve seen many others who are happier to ignore it.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:25 am to DallasTiger11
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This works the exact same way for all you deniers. None of you will ever admit that the guidelines helped and you will cry nothing burger for the rest of your life.
Of course encouraging people to stay at home reduces the spread. That's not the point. The point is it worth it? Is saving a few thousand lives worth millions losing their jobs? Is saving a few thousand lives worth several million losing their retirement? No, it is not.
One person I know lost so much during the 2008-2009 collapse that he had to work another 10 years to make it up. What do you think the effect of a 30% decline in the market will cause?
People are already bitching that boomers are not retiring and keeping a lot of good jobs. Those same people are also some of the loudest screamers about shutting down business now to protect against an overblown virus. What will the result be? It will cause many older people whose retirements are based on the market to keep working. The idiots crying about how deadly this virus is are unable to see past the one variable. They are refusing to even consider the cost of the overreaction.
All the dumb people whining about how people aren't willingly destroying their livelihoods because of a stupid virus will be the loudest complainers when they finally have to face the consequences of their cries.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:26 am to MOT
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No one said it would happen in the next two weeks
They said the peak would be within the next 2 weeks.
And projected the deaths within 30 days.We won't come close either way and Dr. Birx was unbelievably irresponsible in showing those models to a press Corp that couldn't wait to go with the 100,000 to 200,000 headline without context.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:33 am to Revelator
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And we will never know if the same thing would have played out without social distancing. Like I said in my previous post, will never know.
And I’m not talking about quarantining the sick or isolating the elderly.
I’m talking about forcing everyone to stay at home.
I understand what you're saying, I'm just vehemently disagreeing with you. We already seeing countries that have put restrictions in place slow the rate of growth of new cases, in some cases considerably. S. Korea was seeing 5-6 times more new patients every day than they are now. Are you suggesting that is a coincidence? One way or the other it will completely observable. We'll know the dates the measures will have gone into place and we'll know the case volumes. The hypothesis is that the more stringent the measures, the more dramatic the drop in new cases 2-3 weeks later. That's not particularly complex analysis.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:39 am to Flats
quote:True. But common sense interpretation by individual people of why social distancing is being urged, would connect that dot with the next dot, which would be “I can self quarantine” according to mitigation guidelines now out there - and without being forced to by local, state or federal decree. I can voluntarily stay home, for my own good, and for the good of my neighbors, friends and loved ones.
Social distancing is not a quarantine,
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:48 am to JawjaTigah
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I can voluntarily stay home,
Not if you lose your home, which is the point. Discussing only the medical aspect of these measures is foolish.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:48 pm to Flats
quote:I believe that regs are in place to prevent evictions and foreclosures during this crisis. Plus big lenders are advertising their willingness to be very flexible. People are not losing their homes. So your point is...?
Not if you lose your home, which is the point.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:53 pm to DallasTiger11
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The fact is we will never really know what an alternate reality would have brought.
In the macro sense, sure, but there's about to be a whole cottage industry of national & regional comparisons with regard outcomes vs. what guidelines were implemented and when in the public health literature. They'll draw conclusions that we'll ignore for years to come.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:54 pm to JawjaTigah
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I believe that regs are in place
Oh, well as long as we have "regs" then we can just regulate the economic damage away, and it's completely sensible to ignore the economic aspect of this problem. My bad.
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