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re: 45 ACP vs 40 S&W, which is the better cartridge?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:04 am to cypressbrake3
Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:04 am to cypressbrake3
42.5 is the best of both worlds...
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 4:42 am to 3deadtrolls
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They do make a .460, and it's badass.
Well yeah, but that goes against the old saying.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 5:13 am to cypressbrake3
A .40 is a shitty compromise between a 9 and .45, ammo less readily available etc. Just a trash round IMHO
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:11 am to Tigerpaw123
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9mm
But the choice of the 2 would be .45 , both will do what you need them to do
Agree. And I'll add that the .40 will never completely go away, but may be harder to find in the future. 9mm all the way.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 8:14 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:18 am to Strannix
I dont understand that viewpoint. It's a pretty good compromise. More horsepower than both the 9 and 45, more capacity than the 45 at the expense of more bark than both of them.
IMO it's a shitty substitute for 10mm, but it's in a good spot where it is. All semi autos should be 357 sig though
IMO it's a shitty substitute for 10mm, but it's in a good spot where it is. All semi autos should be 357 sig though
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:40 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
The flash-bang of that round makes it the absolute most fun thing to shoot. Everyone else gets range envy. Can’t imagine firing that thing off in a dark hallway.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 8:48 am to cypressbrake3
I don't know that there is a "better". 40 is between 45 and 9mm (it's basically a 10mm just slower). The 40 is smaller but has more velocity and more recoil. Capacity tends to be higher due to size. 45 is larger and slower, but less recoil. I personally find it to be more accurate (depending on firearm) at ranges one would shoot a handgun. I personally don't think the trade offs are worth the benefit of a 40 over a 45, but everyone is different. I like 45's, and if the ammo was cheaper/more available, I would pick 10mm over a 40 S&W. Just my opinion though.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:02 am to SaintInBham
Yea I agree, there isnt enough "better" with any of them to matter much.
All you 45 lovers carrying +p or regular?
All you 45 lovers carrying +p or regular?
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:44 am to KemoSabe65
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What make and model is the 20mm
Your choice. I'd start with the Vulcan...
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:49 am to cypressbrake3
45 and 40 >> than 9 mm no matter how much convincing you try to do. More and more women are entering law enforcement and it would look bad if they can’t even handle their firearm so therefore they are shooting a 9mm and told it is the best.
40 will have a bigger wound channel and shoots a bigger bullet faster than a 9 mm. It is more powerful than a 9 mm.
45 will have a even bigger wound channel than the 40 and 9 mm.
There is nothing a 9 mm can ever do to create a wound channel of a 40 and 45. Nothing.
There are plenty of rounds from a 380 and 38 special that meet FBI criteria and has less recoil than a 9 mm.
357> 45> 40 > 9 mm> 38 special> 380
I would shoot the biggest caliber you can control effectively. For most women and small men a 9 mm is a great choice.
When hunting dangerous game and carrying a rifle or side arm in Grizzly country can you imagine someone telling you a smaller caliber with less recoil is so much better. But when the dangerous game is a man they tell you this. It is hilarious.
40 will have a bigger wound channel and shoots a bigger bullet faster than a 9 mm. It is more powerful than a 9 mm.
45 will have a even bigger wound channel than the 40 and 9 mm.
There is nothing a 9 mm can ever do to create a wound channel of a 40 and 45. Nothing.
There are plenty of rounds from a 380 and 38 special that meet FBI criteria and has less recoil than a 9 mm.
357> 45> 40 > 9 mm> 38 special> 380
I would shoot the biggest caliber you can control effectively. For most women and small men a 9 mm is a great choice.
When hunting dangerous game and carrying a rifle or side arm in Grizzly country can you imagine someone telling you a smaller caliber with less recoil is so much better. But when the dangerous game is a man they tell you this. It is hilarious.
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 9:50 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:57 am to Gaston
I'm severely disappointed in the lack of full power ammo out there for the sig. All the duty/self defense stuff is in the ~1350 fps range, and you can get that out of nuclear 9mm stuff.
It should ALL be 1450 fps, matching the old school 357 mag otherwise theres little purpose in 357 sig. I still like the caliber alot, but it isnt nearly as lively as it should be with self defense ammo.
It should ALL be 1450 fps, matching the old school 357 mag otherwise theres little purpose in 357 sig. I still like the caliber alot, but it isnt nearly as lively as it should be with self defense ammo.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:14 am to TheBoo
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.40. Not sorry.
165 grain .45 shits on .40
10mm shits on both.
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Heavy 10MM Ammo
180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - (1,350 fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs.)
My daily carry
This post was edited on 3/27/20 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:42 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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All you 45 lovers carrying +p or regular?
I don't like +p in anything other than 9mm. .40 is snappy enough and with 45, you're chasing the needle. You're already opting for big and slow. That's .45 ACP's bag, baby.
It works for 9mm if the pistol can handle a regular diet of it (like Classic Sigs
). Gives it little more oomph outside of ideal ranges.Posted on 3/27/20 at 10:45 am to X123F45
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165 grain .45 shits on .40
Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:29 am to Barneyrb
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My truck gun is .45 ACP and I have Hornady Critical Defense + P's in it.
Carry gun(s) are a choice of a couple 9's and a .380 depending on how I'm carrying.
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Posted on 3/27/20 at 11:34 am to Gaston
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The flash-bang of that round makes it the absolute most fun thing to shoot. Everyone else gets range envy.
A 5" 357 Mag revolver w/ full power 125 gr loads has flash-bang that's memorable, as well.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 12:20 pm to cypressbrake3
The most important factor is shot placement so get something you can shoot accurately regardless of the round. As someone else already mentioned, 9mm fits most people best because it suits female shooter. if your pistol is built to handle 40 cal (sig p229 etc), you should have no problem.
Posted on 3/27/20 at 1:30 pm to cypressbrake3
forgot to highlight the fact that comparing calibers, straight across is like comparing cars. Example .40 vs. .45
is like comparing a mustang to a camaro without any further details, such as what year, what engine etc. etc.. no way to do an apples to apples comparison without the specifics. Without going into a deep dive, comparing specific bullet performance will get you closer to what you are looking for..example the .45 230gr Fed. HST vs. the .40 180 gr. Fed. HST. While not the end all be all method, this will get you very good info that is actual fact vs. the "this is better than that because ________.
is like comparing a mustang to a camaro without any further details, such as what year, what engine etc. etc.. no way to do an apples to apples comparison without the specifics. Without going into a deep dive, comparing specific bullet performance will get you closer to what you are looking for..example the .45 230gr Fed. HST vs. the .40 180 gr. Fed. HST. While not the end all be all method, this will get you very good info that is actual fact vs. the "this is better than that because ________.
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