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re: Jam Bands - I just don’t f*cking get it
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:01 pm to CaptainPanic
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:01 pm to CaptainPanic
You either enjoy improvisational music or you don’t
To me a 30 minute Bowie from Fall 94 or some insane Ghost from 97 is about as good as it gets, but i understand most probably wouldn’t enjoy it
To me a 30 minute Bowie from Fall 94 or some insane Ghost from 97 is about as good as it gets, but i understand most probably wouldn’t enjoy it
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:17 pm to JumpingTheShark
I just listened to this song as I’m very familiar with Jerry and Merle. I have a half dozen of their live CD’s and the Keystone Berkeley shows are superb since many were recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson. a.k.a. “Betty Boards” if you’re into Grateful Dead live recordings. I think this Jimmy Cliff classic song and “jam” went right over your head. If you have an ear for music, you can clearly make out the improvisations between a quintet of musicians and their respective instruments.
The first 4 minutes and the last 4 minutes (8 total) is Jerry singing the lyrics to one of his favorite songs. There is an 11 minute instrumental jam where you can clearly hear Jerry playing Wolf (guitar), followed by Merle on his famous Hammond B3, then John Kahn on Bass, Bill Kreutzmann on drums, and an amazing set of lungs by Martin Fierro on saxophone. Each musician jams for 1-2 minutes and then you can hear each musician teasing and playing off each other. Then all 5 play together for 1-2 minutes before Jerry picks back up on the vocals.
If you’re into the JGB and Merle from the 70’s, this song is epic. I understand not everyone likes Jerry or the GD. Just like not everyone likes country, reggae, classical, and/or rap music.
The first 4 minutes and the last 4 minutes (8 total) is Jerry singing the lyrics to one of his favorite songs. There is an 11 minute instrumental jam where you can clearly hear Jerry playing Wolf (guitar), followed by Merle on his famous Hammond B3, then John Kahn on Bass, Bill Kreutzmann on drums, and an amazing set of lungs by Martin Fierro on saxophone. Each musician jams for 1-2 minutes and then you can hear each musician teasing and playing off each other. Then all 5 play together for 1-2 minutes before Jerry picks back up on the vocals.
If you’re into the JGB and Merle from the 70’s, this song is epic. I understand not everyone likes Jerry or the GD. Just like not everyone likes country, reggae, classical, and/or rap music.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:40 pm to Midget Death Squad
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It's not the length of the song that is the issues with jam bands. It's the lack of focus, direction and orchestration. Their isn't a purpose other than to just... jam. It's tiresome
Agreed. I like long songs, I have some GY!BE albums that are just two songs that are 20 to 30 mins each but each has cohesion and direction. Jamming can be mindless fun to do with your friends but it’s not my cup of tea to want to go listen to somebody else play.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:17 pm to WMTigerFAN
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Is Govt Mule a jam band? I like Warren Haynes a lot.
Yes. They're a jam band.
Labels are tricky in music but they're also useful. The term "jam band" is a pretty big umbrella and different bands fall at different points on a spectrum. Gov't Mule is a blues-rock jam band while Galactic is a jazz-funk jam band. Their styles are more focused than the archetypical bands like the Dead and Phish who play a wide variety of styles from blues to rock to jazz to bluegrass, etc. But they still fit under the umbrella.
I used to see Gov't Mule in small clubs when Woody was still alive. Those guys jammed HARD.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:18 pm to JumpingTheShark
Listen to the Disco biscuits or perpetual groove
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:42 am to Kcprogguitar
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It’s called jazz.
It's interesting because I enjoy jazz but don't really enjoy jam
I think part of it is expectation/use - I don't get worked up over jazz and I don't enjoy it the same way I enjoy texas country music. It's great to work to, to have a glass of wine to with the wife, to drink coffee with on a Sunday morning.
Meanwhile I put jam bands in the same category as any other music where I tend to "require" them to more actively stimulate me. So perhaps it's not really a fair comparison.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:21 am to JumpingTheShark
Sometimes you just have to be patient and enjoy riding the wave. If you're listening to get to some point then it's never going to click. Not all jam bands are cranking out 20 min songs everytime. I think the sweet spot for most jam bands is that 7-9 minute range. I don't think that's too excessive. If you can't enjoy the build up and listen without being in a rush to get somewhere musically then it's great. I don't like hearing the same structured notes played on the radio 24/7, that is what's boring to me. Different strokes I suppose.
I will also add that if you haven't seen a top touring jam band live then you are missing out on a big piece of appreciating jam bands.
I will also add that if you haven't seen a top touring jam band live then you are missing out on a big piece of appreciating jam bands.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:50 am to StickyFingaz
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think the sweet spot for most jam bands is that 7-9 minute range.
I don't disagree. A lot of the most famous jams a la Oregon 72 Playin in the Band, Providence 94 Bowie, 6.3.16 Shem Rah Dribble etc all exceed this mark by quite a bit but if you were to compile an overall high quality jam database the median time would be somewhere near your description.
Fellow e-Legend CheeseburgerEddie and myself discussed the 'microjamming' phenomenon at length on a recent excursion to Charleston. And yes, Bisco Boys, this includes Barber and Co as evidenced by the 2.4.16 Muchkin Invasion > Tricycle . The runtime is 26 mins but in reality the jam is from ~5 mins to ~15:15 - clocking in at just over 10 mins.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:03 am to HeadyBrosevelt
This is what made Houser so fricking good man... He was so smooth and a 7 minute song could easily blast off and take you to another level in the blink of an eye. Nothing ever felt forced. You take an Airplane from '98 or '00 and it's this harmless little tune that The Telecaster Master just absolutely rips. It just comes out of no where. The long meandering jams are sort of like the advanced listening for jam bands. It would be similar to playing from the tips the first time you ever played golf. Or trying to hit a 90 mph fastball before you even played Tee Ball. I'm not trying to say it's anything that's hard to get or understand, but you need to give yourself a chance to warm up to it. Are some jams more entertaining than others? Of course. But it's all about the creative process.
'72 Playin's are a conversation for a whole different thread.
'72 Playin's are a conversation for a whole different thread.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:04 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:10 am to StickyFingaz
So, just as a way of defining what we are talking about here, does this get filed under "jam bands"?
Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana 24 minute version of Eyesight to the Blind/Why Does Love Have to be So Sad
Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana 24 minute version of Eyesight to the Blind/Why Does Love Have to be So Sad
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:42 am to HeadyBrosevelt
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most famous jams
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6.3.16 Shem Rah Dribble
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:49 am to HeadyBrosevelt
A personal fave of mine...
2/15/2009 Morph>42>spacebirdmatingcall>Morph
Disco Biscuits Live at Liberty Hall on 2009-02-15
2/15/2009 Morph>42>spacebirdmatingcall>Morph
Disco Biscuits Live at Liberty Hall on 2009-02-15
Posted on 2/19/20 at 4:58 pm to Crowknowsbest
The head scratcher for me is people labeling all jams as "meandering". The interplay in the Dead, Phish, and Panic is remarkable at times. Yes there are times when I'm stuck wishing someone would steer the jam, but when they do it's typically euphoric.
TLDR: some people tell me Breaking Bad was too slow for them. I get it, but I also don't.
TLDR: some people tell me Breaking Bad was too slow for them. I get it, but I also don't.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:46 am to TnMountaineer
The bisco kids in here need to grow tf and start listening to some real jams. The laptop jams are pathetic.
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