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Am I the only one who thinks the market's reaction to the coronavirus outbreak is...

Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:06 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:06 am
...way overdone?

- 8,000 confirmed cases in an area of over 20 million people with 170 deaths as of 9:30 AM, CST meaning the mortality rate, so far, is approximately 2.1%

- SARS had a mortality rate of approximately 10%

- 100% of the deaths are in China and almost all of the deaths were very old, very young or weak immune system persons

- only 4 U.S. states have confirmed cases and all of the cases are people who recently returned from China

Is this a media driven "crisis"??
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35460 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Is this a media driven "crisis"??



"Don't look at the fact that the dems are getting pantsed in the impeachment trial, look at this"
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:11 am to
I just found this article about the "regular" flu in the U.S.

quote:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that so far this season, there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses for the 2019-2020 season, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths in the U.S.

American cases of flu so far this season:

"Regular" flu: 15,000,000

Coronavirus: 5


American deaths so far this flu season:

"Regular" flu: 8,200

Coronavirus flu: 0


"Coronavirus is spreading--but the flu is a greater threat to Americans"
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 11:20 am
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2821 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:29 am to
It is being hyped by media for sure. As far as market reaction, it was just an excuse. The market would have found something else. The rally was getting over extended and the virus news provided a catalyst for a small correction.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:36 am to
I agree the virus fear is way overblown BUT the market is very sensitive at these valuations and it is discerning that such a small crisis is having the impact that it has.

It is scary to think what the market would do if some central bank tightened or some war broke out or if Trump was removed from office or something like that.

This reminds me of 2000---I hope that does not happen again!!!
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:36 am to
I think the market reaction is due to the largest middle class population in the world under a quarantine...during their busiest spending period of the year.

Probably a bit exaggerated, but in recent years the reactions for minor events have been steep.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32595 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:36 am to
Who is going to make all of our cheap Chinese crap if all of the workers are on lock down?
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:38 pm to
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Is this a media driven "crisis"??
I don't think it is a crisis anywhere except possibly China at this point.

The media coverage I've seen has been pretty fact based.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:55 pm to
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The media coverage I've seen has been pretty fact based.
The media created "crisis" as I refer to it was demonstrated a little while ago when CNBC broke into their program to report that a first case of human-to-human transmittal of the corona virus has been identified in the U.S. The reporter was almost breathless as she reported this "frightening" news.

The fact is over 15,000,000 cases of the regular flu has been identified just in the U.S. this flu season and everyone of those 15,000,000 cases have been from human-to-human transmittal.

Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:00 pm to
Economic growth was lower than predicted... Plus Coronavirus.

I am investing in canned goods, ammo, and a seed stock this week. It may be time to upgrade generators and get a large storage bin for gas and diesel. I will reevaluate the market later in February when I have some cash.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:03 pm to
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I am investing in canned goods, ammo, and a seed stock this week.
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
390 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:24 pm to
The market's reaction overdone? I didn't think the market even reacted much at all. Basically traded sideways or slight decline with a return to average volatility from abnormally low.

You cite the medical analysis of the virus, but markets aren't about medicine, they are about economics. China is a key player in the world economy, its growth has slowed to multi-decade lows, and they had to quarantine 50 million people. In just a couple of weeks, the epidemic has surpassed SARS total which took months. While not as deadly as SARS, it is still far more deadly than the regular flu. That scares people, and makes people want to avoid catching it by avoiding interacting with other people...meaning less economic activity. Oil has steadily fallen on top of all of this due to reduced demand expectations.

Way overdone? not at all.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:33 pm to
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it is still far more deadly than the regular flu.
Nothing that I've seen or read supports that statement.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26585 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:35 pm to
Transportation both within and to China will be significantly lower for at least one fiscal quarter, maybe more. That will reverberate through the Chinese markets which makes up a good proportion of world GDP.

Easy example:
China travel declines due to virus keeping people at home
China is a big part of Trip.com's market
Trip's revenues and stock price go down

Side note: I was in Thailand last week. At the airport there, about 60% of people were wearing masks (which don't do anything but that's another story). When I got to Atlanta, 0% of people were wearing masks. So the fear is real in Asia. Fear is enough to prevent travel.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
390 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:42 pm to
If you have some sort of anti-media bias or agenda, or don't believe the official stats, or have some other reason for not agreeing with the available data, then maybe.

But its straight from the WHO and CDC's mouth. Fatality rate is 2-3% for coronavirus, <.01% from seasonal flu.

intermediary link, sources at the bottom of page....

LINK /
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:51 pm to
Serious question--how do they know what the fatality rate is for this strain of Coronavirus??
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126965 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

or don't believe the official stats,
The "official stats" are still only estimates as your own link specifies.

And even then it says, "the national (China) mortality rate drops to 0.3%." That's not "far more deadly than the regular flu" as you put it.

quote:

If you have some sort of anti-media bias
I do. I believe the mainstream media ZERO. I have worked with and for the MSM long enough to know they don't exist to sell accurate information.

They sell advertising.

And the best way to sell more advertising is by frightening readers and listeners even when what they report is inaccurate.

They have worked hard to earn my distrust.

But if you choose to believe whatever the media prints or says, that's okay with me, too.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11488 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 4:25 pm to
The market is in complete hysteria! We hit lows not seen since January 7th.

Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18312 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:22 pm to
Reaction? The virus is bullshite fear porn. Market SOARED at end of day. Guaranteed to only be flat even when bombs dropping and WWIII about to start.
Amazon up to 15% HIGHER immediately in after market.
Fed dumped another $78 BILLION into market today. More pumped into market in the last two months than the original 700 Billion from the fake recession in 2008-09.
Stocks NEVER going down in our lifetimes Again.
Posted by marchballer
The Greatest Country on Earth
Member since Aug 2008
4118 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:43 pm to
I think there is a legit reason to worry. One of my suppliers from China already mentioned delays because of the virus and I'm sure there are more on the way. If we keep seeing cities shut down, we'll see some major disruptions in the supply chains for more global retailers.
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