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re: *’s sign stealing - by the numbers
Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:52 am to McCaigBro69
Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:52 am to McCaigBro69
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:55 am to McCaigBro69
Here’s an interesting stat. Marwin Gonzales appears to be the guy who used the system the most. His batting average that year was .303. His batting average the year before was .254 and the year after was .247.
He must have gotten a big boost from the sign stealing, right?
Look at this:
In 2017, Marwin’s batting average at home was .282
On the road it was .326
Marwin was hitting WAY better on the road than at home. Honestly, what is the explanation for that???
He must have gotten a big boost from the sign stealing, right?
Look at this:
In 2017, Marwin’s batting average at home was .282
On the road it was .326
Marwin was hitting WAY better on the road than at home. Honestly, what is the explanation for that???
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 11:02 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:56 am to McCaigBro69
Yeah from a statistical perspective, I want to see the Astros home/road splits that year and how it compares to home/road splits for previous years.
Or splits of when it was used vs when it wasn't. (not limited to bangs, as non bangs were also a sign it seems)
Or splits of when it was used vs when it wasn't. (not limited to bangs, as non bangs were also a sign it seems)
Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:58 am to PrimeTime Money
The team as a whole performed much better on the road in 2017. Each and every time it is pointed out, this is all you get from the outraged:
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:01 am to High C
Another interesting point about Marwin Gonzales, is that he didn’t use the system much until the second half of the year, as evidenced by this graph:
His batting splits for the first half of the year and second half are:
First half: .308
Second half: .299
So looking at the numbers, it doesn’t look like stealing signs even helped at all. If anything, there is some evidence that it hurt them.
That’s surprising, but looks to be the case.
His batting splits for the first half of the year and second half are:
First half: .308
Second half: .299
So looking at the numbers, it doesn’t look like stealing signs even helped at all. If anything, there is some evidence that it hurt them.
That’s surprising, but looks to be the case.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:03 am to castorinho
The Astros were a much better road hitting team that year. 2016 almost even then better on road in 2017/2018. 2015 they were better at home and this year (supposedly the system was not used this past season) they were better at home.
The explanation in the past was “the players are focusing too much on trying to hit it into the short porch of the Crawford boxes whereas on the road they hit more balanced” but now in retrospect its easy to see they were trying to depend on a crutch that could be completely wrong with one quick mound visit or one quick signal to change signs which teams can do on the fly without a mound visit. Smoltz detailed how he did it without mound visits while announcing a playoff game even before all this stuff came out
The explanation in the past was “the players are focusing too much on trying to hit it into the short porch of the Crawford boxes whereas on the road they hit more balanced” but now in retrospect its easy to see they were trying to depend on a crutch that could be completely wrong with one quick mound visit or one quick signal to change signs which teams can do on the fly without a mound visit. Smoltz detailed how he did it without mound visits while announcing a playoff game even before all this stuff came out
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:03 am to Eternalmajin
My issue with BountyGate is I never saw any evidence it led to misconduct on the field, ie doing something not allowed by the rules of football to cause injury.
Did anyone ever evaluate that? You'd thing there would be more personal foul penalties or something.
Did anyone ever evaluate that? You'd thing there would be more personal foul penalties or something.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:10 am to McCaigBro69
batting average and on base percentage with garbage bangs and without would be valuable so see.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:10 am to Prominentwon
quote:
Now you’re just outraged
I'm outraged?
No, I'm just laughing because you Astros fans are all parroting the same talking points.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:11 am to Adam Banks
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but now in retrospect its easy to see they were trying to depend on a crutch that could be completely wrong with one quick mound visit or one quick signal to change signs which teams can do on the fly without a mound visit.
And they might overthink it whereas on the road they just go out and play ball.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:16 am to TH03
quote:
No, I'm just laughing because you Astros fans are all parroting the same talking points.
It doesn't make them any less valid.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:21 am to McCaigBro69
So Tyler White really is just a garbage ball player
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:23 am to Stretch Suba
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Not a surprise you would not know how to write a proper thread title.
But you’re right, the Astros cheated as much as all of those Rangers on steroids 20-25 years ago. Just unfortunate the Rangers have never cheated anyone out of a title.
Watching out for all of the falling objects in your glass house.
Lol it appears OP has struck a nerve with user Stretch Suba
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:23 am to TH03
quote:
No, I'm just laughing because you Astros fans are all parroting the same talking points.
Because they fit.
While you parrot the same media talking points, numbers have been laid out that the Astros were a much better team on the road, statistically, insinuating that the sign stealing didn’t even work out all that great.
The entire narrative has been that they BENEFITTED from this sign stealing ordeal. When the numbers and the road wins in the World Series says otherwise.
This post was edited on 1/29/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:24 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
This was only done during the 2017 season.
The media/outrage police are doing a really poor job of relaying this important fact. So many posts and points being made using 2018 and 2019 stats that just make me
Haters gonna hate. Banners hang forever
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:27 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Here’s an interesting stat. Marwin Gonzales appears to be the guy who used the system the most. His batting average that year was .303. His batting average the year before was .254 and the year after was .247.
He must have gotten a big boost from the sign stealing, right?
Batting average isn't as great of an indicator as you're implying. In 2017, Marwin had 15 HRs at home, 8 on the road (highest HR total at home in his career). In 2017, Marwin had a .543 SLG% at Minute Maid. In 2016 that number was .413 and in 2018 .351.
quote:
In 2017, Marwin’s batting average at home was .282
On the road it was .326
Marwin's .326 road BA in 2017 was heavily influenced by a .366 BABIP indicating, to an extent, how lucky he'd been when putting the ball in play. His career BABIP is .310.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:51 am to TH03
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No, I'm just laughing because you Astros fans are all parroting the same talking points.
This X 1000.
Every thread goes back to Home and road splits. It doesn’t matter what the stats say. They were still caught cheating.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:03 pm to McCaigBro69
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshite on whomever this person is that he was able to pick out all of these sounds over a telecast and differentiate it with stadium sounds. Some of the soundbites they play at the stadium can be misinterpreted as the trash can bangs. Not saying it didn't happen because obviously it did, but some people are reaching.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:05 pm to Prominentwon
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The entire narrative has been that they BENEFITTED from this sign stealing ordeal. When the numbers and the road wins in the World Series says otherwise.
Because whether or not they were successful because of their cheating is the main thing to consider.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:22 pm to TH03
quote:Are you not interested in seeing that data at all?
That's the take now?
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