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re: Update pg 4: Boise now suing MWC - Boise State/MWC marriage in serious trouble
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:27 pm to sms151t
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:27 pm to sms151t
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Wasn’t it Kramer who negotiated the original CBS deal for both football and basketball
I think you're right and it was re-signed in '08 by Slive and I think Kramer made the exposure statement.
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:40 pm to Buckeye Backer
The AAC West is basically an old pod from the short-lived 16-team WAC with Boise and Memphis.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:41 pm to mattz1122
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Boise to AAC means AAC supplants ACC in P5
Uh, no.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:46 pm to RD Dawg
quote:who tf is watching Boise in NY or Chicago?
WGAS if only 100,000 are watching Boise State in Boise if 3X that many are watching in NY or Chicago?
Boise doesn’t have a natural fan base outside of Idaho, and they won’t always be at their borderline NY6 level
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:49 pm to Weagle25
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Big 12would take them in a heartbeat would they not?
Why not? They are already morphing into a slightly better MWC.
ETA: Good conferences don't lose members, they add to them.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:50 pm to GoldenGuy
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Also, If Boise wants to play this schedule every year:
1-2 Big 12 Teams
3-5 Pac 12 Teams
1-2 Big 10 Teams
Vs Wyoming, Idaho, Utah State, BYU, and another Mountain West Team
I would be happy to let them into the Playoff if they go 12-0.
they arent getting five to eight p5 games with 3 to 5 in pac12.
3 with 2 in pac12 would be a miracle ooc schedule.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:51 pm to RD Dawg
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It's the reason Mike Slive signed the CBS deal to begin with.He wanted exposure all over the country...in non SEC markets.
There’s a difference. 12-14 SEC teams from the best conference outweighs one OK MWC team and the rest of the conference being meh
Non SEC markets will watch SEC games every week because it’s the best game. Non Boise markets will not watch Boise bc why would they?
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:52 pm to chalmetteowl
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who tf is watching Boise in NY or Chicago?
New York has a metro area of 20 million people and Chicago has almost 10 million and Boise State is a known national brand.
Are you actually trying to say that folks in huge markets only watch local teams? Complete garbage.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:56 pm to sms151t
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They keep all their own bowl money and share everything else. I could see them trying to go independent as they have a name a built in bowl and could go to Sky or WCC for everything else
Ain't no room in the Big Sky
Ain't no place for Donkey State academics in the religious WCC
Ain't no market for Boise football to be independent.
Three strikes, champ.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 1:09 pm to chalmetteowl
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There’s a difference
Ya think? And I didn't come close to suggesting they weren't
My point was that the local TV market value isn't as important as most folks believe.
The SEC added Missouri partially because of their TV markets and St. Louis and Kansas City barely register a blip when it comes to CFB TV viewership LINK
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 1:31 pm to RD Dawg
So let me get this strait, we are arguing over the value of Boise St being in a P5 confernce like the Big 12 and PAC? Then some are saying Boise St (Boise = 700,000 and growing rapidly) isn’t worthy enough? What??? Lol Still waitin for an answer to my earlier post...what value does Lubbock, Ames, Stillwater, Lawrence, Waco, Morgantown, Corvallis, Pullman, bring that Boise and Boise St wouldn’t? Boise St is arguably a better brand than any of the teams that reside in those cities and it’s BIGGER than ANY of those cities too. Boise St is a better brand for the Big 12 in football than 80% of the current Big 12.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 1:52 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:what’s their attendance and game day revenue?
Boise St is a better brand for the Big 12 in football than 80% of the current Big 12.
But yeah that’s why it’s a cartel. The P5 has to let you into their club to access the CFP
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:40 pm to chalmetteowl
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Non Boise markets will not watch Boise bc why would they?
If that was true they would have never been able to pull their special deal with ESPN in the first place.
Will they pull top tier SEC ratings? No. But there are quite a few P5 schools they are easily more known and popular than nation wide.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:06 pm to RD Dawg
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New York has a metro area of 20 million people and Chicago has almost 10 million and Boise State is a known national brand.
Are you actually trying to say that folks in huge markets only watch local teams? Complete garbage.
I'm not totally disagreeing with all of your points, but I think you're vastly overstating Boise's status as a national brand. They're a strong name to college football fans, but your casual sports fan across the country isn't seeking out big games involving them, unless they're betting.
It's not that NYC and Chicago only watch local teams. They don't really even watch local teams, so they certainly aren't going to pump numbers for Boise.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:09 pm to nvasil1
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r casual sports fan across the country isn't seeking out big games involving them, unless they're betting.
Casual sports fans don't really seek out college football unless they are betting. CFB is mostly for hardcore football fans.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:18 pm to Dr RC
Yeah, I guess I should've said football fans whose primary focus is the NFL and don't watch college. However, these fans will still tune in for Michigan vs Notre Dame or LSU vs Alabama.
Boise, as strong of a brand as they are, aren't attracting viewership from those fans the same way.
Boise, as strong of a brand as they are, aren't attracting viewership from those fans the same way.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:28 pm to nvasil1
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I'm not totally disagreeing with all of your points, but I think you're vastly overstating Boise's status as a national brand
Obviously not on the scale of a ND or Bama but still a known entity and having Boise as TV market isn't the primary reason they have their deal with ESPN.The MW has much bigger markets in both divisions (Salt Lake City,Las Vegas,Honalulu, Albuquerque,etc)
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:33 pm to nvasil1
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Boise, as strong of a brand as they are, aren't attracting viewership from those fans the same way.
Once again,I never said this and they don't need to have that type of following to justify their TV deal with ESPN and following is undoubtedly more regional than anything else but still national/known entity with a following.No other MW team can say this
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:41 pm to nvasil1
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Yeah, I guess I should've said football fans whose primary focus is the NFL and don't watch college. However, these fans will still tune in for Michigan vs Notre Dame or LSU vs Alabama.
Boise, as strong of a brand as they are, aren't attracting viewership from those fans the same way.
Nobody said they are attracting the same attention as the bluest of the blue bloods but they are going to get more attention than almost all G5s and equal or more than many P5 schools. Again, ESPN does not give them a special TV deal for their home games if they aren't generating interest.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:02 pm to RD Dawg
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Boise State is a known national brand.
No it isn’t. They’re a cute JUCO out in the sticks that has had a handful of decent seasons the last two decades.
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