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re: Are the College Football Playoffs a Failure?

Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:58 pm to
Well under the old system, you had Auburn as 12-0 SEC champs get left out of the title game in 2004 for an OU team that got blown out by USC in the title game. Not to mention just one season before that, a team who was #1 in both AP and Coaches poll got left out in favor of OU that had just been blown out in their conference title game.

This year a 13-0 defending national champion would’ve been left out.

So is the old 2 team BCS system really better than at least 4?

Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
13571 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:27 pm to
Keep it at 4, and make it a requirement that the only teams that will be considered are conference champions - at least at minimum make it division champions or top 2 for the big 12. None of this crap where LSU wins the West but Bama gets in, and I'd say the exact same thing if the roles were reversed.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59135 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:28 pm to
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So of 130 teams, realistically maybe 15 or 25 have the resources to compete for a playoff spot year after year.


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In college, success leads to the best recruits choosing your program.
The rich get richer.


These are basically true for other college sports, how many 5* BB recruits go to Duke or Kentucky? but the nature of the game of football, and the size of the teams make it more likely to dominated but a handful of teams and huge upsets to be far less likely. However, the teams at the top do change. USC was dominant for a decade (they would probably have another title or 2 with a 4 team playoff). Before that Florida State, Nebraska and Miami all had runs.
Posted by RBTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
7754 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:36 pm to
Your pathetic post about Clemson's slow white defense was a failure

230lb Tanner Muse ran down RB JK Dobbins on that 65 yard run...saving a TD..Ohio St had to kick FG

Just because you are slow; dont stereotype
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 11:38 pm to
Teams that come in second in their division, thus not making their conference championship game, while the two division winners risk losing by playing each other and being knocked out of the CFP don’t belong either.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 11:40 pm
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
15358 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 12:47 am to
Spitting facts really riled you up, huh? LSU, Bama, UGA, Florida, don’t got no white boys. Stop pumping up the enemy because of your feelings. My post also got like 65 upvotes and 11 downvotes so it wasn’t really a failure. Lol
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 12:51 am
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
15358 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 12:48 am to
Thanks mate
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49388 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:17 am to
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We already have an 8 team playoffs with conference championship games.

That's bullshite and you know it

What happens when we have 5 conference champions with the same or very similar records?
Posted by RBTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
7754 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 1:19 am to
Those defenses looked SLOW too vs. LSU's offense
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
16022 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 5:11 am to
In basketball, with only 5 on the court playing both ends, you can get a Loyola Chicago, Auburn, or Texas Tech to the final four.

In football, it would be hard for Southern Miss to make a playoff run.

I guess if scholarships were reduced to 70 or so, or if limited substitution was brought back, you could see Army, Navy, or UAB compete with the Ohio State’s and Clemson’s of the world.
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 6:08 am to
The goal of the CFP was to make sure that if a major conference champion went undefeated they would have a chance at the title, just like this year there were 3 teams that earned a shot at the title and they all got one.

The impact on the other bowls was never an issue.

The CFP is working fine, the issue is that the other bowls don't really serve much of a purpose anymore. The public perception of them has soured the past few years.
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 6:19 am
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10915 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 6:48 am to
No. During the first year they proved Ohio State at #4 was as good as Alabama and deserving at a shot, and the perceived #2 Florida State should have been #5 or lower since Oregon whipped the piss out of them, but then got their comeuppance in the title game.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:45 am to
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That's bullshite and you know it



No it's not and they would serve NO purpose going to an 8 team playoff.

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What happens when we have 5 conference champions with the same or very similar records?



And when has that happened? The CCG's serves the purpose of whittling
down team's for the CFP and it's FAR better to decide on the field than some arbitrary bullshite vote to decide the best "8 teams"
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86572 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:51 am to
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CFP is a failure as it’s not a true playoff


sure it is. YOu have 13 weeks to prove yourself to make the final 4. If after 13 weeks you're only ranked 16th, you in no way shape or form deserve to be national champion. Do you really think teams like iowa/utah/baylor deserved a chance at a national title? And if so why? What would be the point of even going through the regular season if your losses stacking up don't even matter?
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36744 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:54 am to
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The demise of the bowl season is laughable. That shite was meaningless for every established program for decades, just like it is today. If you've never been to that level, sure, it's exciting, but once you're established it's meaningless.


People act like the sugar or orange bowl were always sell outs.

Virginia tech Michigan 2011 had like 40 people there
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53836 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 9:56 am to
I think it's working well. Unless you get five undefeated P5s/ND, no need to change. I'd rather err in favor of having one team that gets blown out like OU than see a third ranked undefeated not have a chance. It will get a little old if we have OSU, Clem, Bama/LSU/UGA every year, but adding teams isn't going to make the games more competitive.
This post was edited on 1/3/20 at 10:00 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36744 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 10:02 am to
I am in favor of 6 because generally speaking there are 1 or 2 teams that separate themselves over the course of the regular season.

Have the 3-6, 4/5 on campus after champs week
Posted by TigerDat
Member since Aug 2010
7640 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 10:11 am to
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-Gutting the Bowl System: It used to be a huge deal to play in and win any of the New Years 6 Bowls. Now though, with the playoff, the bowls seem like lousy consolation games


Honestly for teams in the hunt for a Championship, bowls had become stale and unmotivating before the CFP. Many better teams mailed it it.

It wont change either even with 8 teams because the others still wont care about a meaningless bowl game
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 10:13 am to
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I'm all for 8 if it goes to games on campus. That makes it worthwhile.



Yep.

First round on NYE/NYD on college campuses would be incredible. Think about those atmospheres.

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98395 posts
Posted on 1/3/20 at 10:15 am to
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if every time you watch the playoffs, which are supposed to be the best of the best, the games are blowouts.


Most years there is one, or at most two teams head and shoulders above the rest. This year there were three. That's unusual. A two team playoff rarely leaves a deserving team out, and a four team playoff never does. The blowouts should be proof we don't need an expanded playoff, but somehow they will turned into an argument for one. You might have a few competitive games in the first round, but the semifinals and finals will still be blowouts. Nobody left out this year would have done any better than Oklahoma.
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