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re: Thoughts on kids and school lunches
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:09 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:09 am to ShortyRob
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Can I just also point out that some kids who show up to school with no lunch OR lunch money..........have parents who also do not qualify for free lunch or food stamps.
Not all incompetent parents are poor.
Agreed.
If you define the problem as "some kids don't get a healthy lunch to eat" then this feeds into that problem as well.
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:18 am to Bedhog
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School is already taken out of our taxes. Feeding them while in school should be included.
It's like you don't realize this would be additional funds or that this is real money. You seem like one of those people who think money spent by government isn't real.
We are already paying more for public education than most private schools cost. And, you want to provide everyone lunch to solve a problem of parents choosing not to feed their kids.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:21 am to LSUFanHouston
It just seems to me that the lunch programs in school are already money losers for the public. So, expanding to free lunch for everyone would just magnify that problem.
I feel like using school as the vehicle for solving the problem is far too blunt an instrument. And, let me be blunt here. If there are kids who REALLY only get fed at school lunch, THEIR parents should lose them entirely because they either qualify for aid and aren't taking care of their children or, they don't qualify for aid and still aren't.
I mean what? Are these kids just starving from the end of May thru late August?
I think when it comes to school lunch, kids fall into a few basic categories.
1. Kids with parents who feed them, either via their own funds or via public assistance already.
2. Kids with parents who do not feed them.
Generally, when the subject comes up, people seem to at least rhetorically imply a 3rd category.
3. Kids with parents who cannot afford to feed them. This category doesn't actually exist.
If a kid falls into category 2, he fall in to that category whether school is in session or not.
If I send my kid without lunch, they hound me daily if I have a negative balance. As they should.
If I were on public aid, just take the money and call it a day.
But, frankly, I'm not even sure we should have a school lunch program at all.
I feel like using school as the vehicle for solving the problem is far too blunt an instrument. And, let me be blunt here. If there are kids who REALLY only get fed at school lunch, THEIR parents should lose them entirely because they either qualify for aid and aren't taking care of their children or, they don't qualify for aid and still aren't.
I mean what? Are these kids just starving from the end of May thru late August?
I think when it comes to school lunch, kids fall into a few basic categories.
1. Kids with parents who feed them, either via their own funds or via public assistance already.
2. Kids with parents who do not feed them.
Generally, when the subject comes up, people seem to at least rhetorically imply a 3rd category.
3. Kids with parents who cannot afford to feed them. This category doesn't actually exist.
If a kid falls into category 2, he fall in to that category whether school is in session or not.
If I send my kid without lunch, they hound me daily if I have a negative balance. As they should.
If I were on public aid, just take the money and call it a day.
But, frankly, I'm not even sure we should have a school lunch program at all.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:22 am to LSUFanHouston
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Then what? Where does the kid go? Foster care? Yeah, cause we do such a bang up job of that in this country.
The alternative is a mom who is willing to allow her kid to starve.
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We've had generations of this problem. These people aren't just going to wake up and decide to start taking care of their kids.
And, the solution to that is to take the responsibility of feeding their kids away from them? That makes all kinds of sense.
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We have to play the long game and support the kids directly as much as we can. Maybe 2 times out of 10, the kid will turn out to be a good, smart kid, and can stop the cycle in that family.
You have to STOP incentivizing poor parenting (which is exactly what you are doing) and start punishing bad parenting (which is what you are unwilling to do).
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:24 am to moneyg
quote:I am guessing he is in a public school administration position.
You have to STOP incentivizing poor parenting (which is exactly what you are doing) and start punishing bad parenting (which is what you are unwilling to do).
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:24 am to moneyg
quote:Yep.
Then what? Where does the kid go? Foster care? Yeah, cause we do such a bang up job of that in this country.
The alternative is a mom who is willing to allow her kid to starve.
Foster care does suck compared to having good parents.
But it doesn't suck compared to having parents that don't feed you!
quote:Exactly. I mean, if the parent ain't feeding their kid, the fact you feed them doesn't exactly make them good parents.
And, the solution to that is to take the responsibility of feeding their kids away from them? That makes all kinds of sense.
quote:Yup.
You have to STOP incentivizing poor parenting (which is exactly what you are doing) and start punishing bad parenting (which is what you are unwilling to do).
I can have a kid and demand public aid to pay for food, then, not feed the fricking kid and use the aid on myself!!! So, the solution is, to take MORE child rearing responsibility from me?
That will work..........never
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:26 am to ShortyRob
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Foster care does suck compared to having good parents.
But it doesn't suck compared to having parents that don't feed you
And where do these extra foster parents come from? There ain't enough of them now
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:33 am to Wtodd
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And where do these extra foster parents come from? There ain't enough of them now
How many are we talking about? How many parents out there are starving their kids?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:33 am to LSUFanHouston
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I see you didn't answer the simple questions I gave you. Shocker.
You really are dumb.
If you didn't take stupid trips to Epcot you could pay for the kids you are so worried about.
Keep your Liberal loser hands out of my pocket.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:34 am to LSUFanHouston
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Perhaps you have missed all of the recent stories about lunch shaming and kids running up huge "debts" on the lunch program because the parents can't / won't send money.
You should pay for it.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:38 am to moneyg
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How many parents out there are starving their kids?
I said it earlier...probably not that many (and yes 1 is too many) that are truly starving their kids
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How many are we talking about?
How many more foster parents?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:09 pm to moneyg
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We are already paying more for public education than most private schools cost.
Meh. The good private schools are all pretty expensive.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:15 pm to ShortyRob
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It just seems to me that the lunch programs in school are already money losers for the public.
I mean, how do you define that? Most of what government does, doesn't result in a "profit".
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3. Kids with parents who cannot afford to feed them. This category doesn't actually exist.
I think it does exist, although it's smaller than the other two. It's made up of
a) parents who make just too much to qualify for aid, but have higher than "normal" expenses (and I'm not taking about a fancy car, i mean medical issues, taking care of an elderly parent, etc)
b) parents who find a way to feed their kid, but fall short in other areas.
I was in the b) category as a kid. My parents never made a lot of money, at all. I always had a lunch. They never asked for assistance for lunch. We went to a Catholic school because public schools where I grew up were really, really bad.
But there were days when I was called to the principal's office and told I couldn't come back to school tomorrow unless my parents made another tuition payment. There were days I walked in the front door by myself, and the power was turned off.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:16 pm to Wtodd
quote:I submit that you just described our governmental tail chasing.
And where do these extra foster parents come from? There ain't enough of them now
I submit that one reason we need more foster parents is that we have too many incompetent parents and one of the reasons we have so many incompetent parents is because we subsidized incompetent parenting.
Despite what the left things, the reality is, sometimes, babies DO come from welfare checks
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:17 pm to moneyg
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You have to STOP incentivizing poor parenting (which is exactly what you are doing) and start punishing bad parenting (which is what you are unwilling to do).
Again, I'll ask, since you refuse to answer...
Once you take the kid away, then what?
Once you punish the parent, then what?
If it was simple as "find another family who will do the right thing" we wouldn't have a child social services / foster care system that is totally overwhelmed.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I'm referring to the fact that even by charging kids, they cost more than the revenue charged.
I mean, how do you define that? Most of what government does, doesn't result in a "profit".
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:18 pm to Wtodd
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I said it earlier...probably not that many (and yes 1 is too many) that are truly starving their kids
So, we should supply lunch to everyone, and incur that cost, to solve the desire that 0 kids are hungry?
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How many more foster parents?
That depends on your number. I'm of the opinion that the number of parents who won't feed their kids is very, very , very low. And, that what we are seeing from a numbers standpoint is a direct result of them knowing they will be fed anyway.
Finding a way to make parents responsible (we can discuss the best method) is the best approach.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:19 pm to ShortyRob
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I submit that you just described our governmental tail chasing.
I submit that one reason we need more foster parents is that we have too many incompetent parents and one of the reasons we have so many incompetent parents is because we subsidized incompetent parenting.
Despite what the left things, the reality is, sometimes, babies DO come from welfare checks
And we need to stop the
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governmental tail chasing
and feed the kids at school and deduct this $$$ from the parents
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:19 pm to Azkiger
your sir are an a-hole...just in case know one has pointed that out to you yet today.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We are already paying more for public education than most private schools cost.
Meh. The good private schools are all pretty expensive.
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MAY 21, 2019 — The amount spent per pupil for public elementary and secondary education (prekindergarten through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased by 3.7% to $12,201 per pupil during the 2017 fiscal year,
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Average Private School Tuition Cost. The national average private school tuition is approximately $10,676 per year (2019-20). The private elementary school average is $9,638 per year and the private high school average is $14,522 per year.
ETA: That's just a quick google. The point is that costs are already high. Deciding to throw another 500-1000 on top for every student is a huge addition.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 12:22 pm
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