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re: Thoughts on kids and school lunches

Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:42 pm to
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What I am saying is that there aren't enough foster parents in the system now, to handle the demand we have.



So, leave kids with parents who starve them? Great.

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If we have no other choice, we have no other choice. But I don't want to move a kid from a bad situation to a worse one, either, and that's what you would do with the lack of additional foster care parents.

And foster care, you say is bad... but it's better than a state home, which is where most of the kids will end up. Get ready for that cost...



The reality is that the parents who aren't feeding their kids by and large are doing so because they understand the system and know their kids are going to be fed anyway.

If parents were required to either fund an account (either with money or snap credits) to pay for their kids with real financial consequences if they didn't do so, you'd see very, very few decide not to feed their kids.

Refusal to do so resulting in Social Services getting involved, or fines/community service solves this problem to as great of a degree as you can.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73426 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:48 pm to
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If parents were required to either fund an account (either with money or snap credits) to pay for their kids with real financial consequences if they didn't do so, you'd see very, very few decide not to feed their kids.
But they wouldn't be able to sell their food stamps for fifty cents on the dollar!
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21530 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:52 pm to
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your sir are an a-hole...just in case know one has pointed that out to you yet today.


Did you many families double dip? They get food stamps which cover 3 meals a day for their children, and still qualify for free lunches because their children are still showing up to school without lunches.

But yes, I'm the a-hole because I expect my taxes that are being taken from me to feed other people's children actually be used to feed other people's children and am angry when they aren't.

GFY. Or better yet, stop taxing me over this shite and I'll stop having an opinion about it.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5847 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:14 pm to
yep still an a-hole. It's school lunch man calm down. It's about the children not their parents financial actions. Alot of school districts are going to free lunches now. How about our tax dollars to school pay for that.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10666 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:15 pm to
I'm pretty sure farmers like the idea of giving each kid three meals a day.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:19 pm to
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Taking these kids away are going to create a set of problems that in my opinion, are much worse than the problems you would be trying to solve.

I just don't see how this can be argued.

We take children who are being beaten by their parents. Yes, this creates a new need where one wasn't needed before. But, we consider this new need to be worth getting abused children away from abusers.

Failing to feed your child is abuse.

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but the added costs will be higher
Initially, absolutely.

But, you'd very quickly send the message that babies aren't meal tickets and, people really do react to such stimuli. You would have fewer meal ticket seeking parents.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:20 pm to
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I submit that being in an orphanage is greater than being with an adult who can't be bothered to feed you.


Interesting. I disagree.
I know orphanage ain't a great option. But I would love to hear how it's worse than being with an adult who chooses not to feed you?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:22 pm to
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Maybe it is semantics, but everything is obviously being paid for.

You seem to be advocating for dismantling the school lunch program.
I do think that it would be worthwhile to consider, but, I can live with having them.

I'm simply pointing out that if it is true that a kid NEEDS this meal otherwise he won't be fed, then that's also true in June............so, maybe we aren't addressing the correct problem
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:23 pm to
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The reality is that the parents who aren't feeding their kids by and large are doing so because they understand the system and know their kids are going to be fed anyway.

Exactly

If you give me $5 to feed my kid, but then tell me you're going to feed my kid, cool, now I have $5 extra bucks.

MOST parents, if you said, "ok, I'm not feeding them anymore" will use that $5 to feed their kid now.

The ones who don't? Take their kids.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10666 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:25 pm to
If you are concerned about food stamp fraud then giving the food directly to the kids is how you fight food stamp fraud.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:28 pm to
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If you are concerned about food stamp fraud then giving the food directly to the kids is how you fight food stamp fraud.

As I said, give them the food.

Then, deduct that $$ from the food stamps the parent gets.

Simple
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21530 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:45 pm to
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It's about the children not their parents financial actions.


My critique is about the parents lack of responsibility.

The parents who apply for free school lunches should have that amount (labor, transportation of ingredients, and ingredients) deducted from their food stamp benefits.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5847 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:52 pm to
do you care this much about how the federal govt spends all of "your money" ?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21530 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 3:24 pm to
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do you care this much about how the federal govt spends all of "your money" ?


Classic whataboutism...
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63460 posts
Posted on 12/3/19 at 4:31 pm to
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gubment


that's so 1960's -70's
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5847 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:34 am to
this board is a classic case of "whataboutism" so you don't care is what your telling me
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:40 am to
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Take their kids.

And do what with them? A lot in the thread want to do this but no one knows what to do with the kids that are taken away.

I'd love for every kid to get 3 squares a day, not be abused and have a warm place to lay their heads at night.....so how do we do this? Yeah I'm being dead arse serious.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139920 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:40 am to
How many kids in this world should I feed? My two, the two from the other program I participate in. Food stamps. Free lunch at schools. The homeless shelter. The church.

How many is enough to you progs?
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