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Californian musicians feel the pain of "worker's rights" aka "state control"
Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:51 pm
Worker's rights is a code word for giving up your personal autonomy to contract
just another example of "capitalism is freedom"
ETA: of course there are some expected takes
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Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez spearheaded a bill, AB5 which was intended to support workers’ rights - namely Uber, Lyft and DoorDash drivers. Rather than making a law targeting specific companies, they basically outlawed all independent contractors with few exceptions. It was signed into law on September 18, 2019 by Governor Newsom. Why haven’t you heard about it? Because it was run through committee so fast that no one really had time to process what was happening. So, no, we didn’t get to contact our representatives before the vote and plead with them not to vote for it or at least give the independent music industry an exemption.
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How the law is written, if you want to hire a bass player to play your gig for $100 you have to put that bassist on payroll, pay unemployment taxes, provide benefits, follow labor laws, get workers compensation insurance, deduct taxes, work with a payroll company, W-2 that bassist as they now legally will be designated your employee. FOR ONE frickING GIG.
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Oh and by the way, every venue in California can’t just cut solo artists a check anymore. You play a 45 minute set at the Bootleg and make $800? Well, you're now technically an employee of the Bootleg, they must deduct taxes, put you (and the hundreds of artists who play their venue each year) on payroll. FOR ONE frickING GIG.
just another example of "capitalism is freedom"
ETA: of course there are some expected takes
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for "workers’ rights” and I’m sure Assemblywoman Gonzalez and Governor Newsom had the best intentions to support workers being taken advantage of by big corporations. They just didn’t do their due diligence and clearly have no idea how the music industry works. How this law affects musicians is not helping workers. It’s actually hurting them much, much more.
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What we need to do:
We need to get an exemption for music professionals into this law before January 1st.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 12:52 pm
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Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
A lot of IT people work as independent contractors too. That will really affect California.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We need to get an exemption for music professionals into this law before January 1st.
Hmmm, he sounds like a greedy CEO.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:56 pm to Brosef Stalin
i am not even sure if this interpretation is correct, it's just a great example of the "i think this is a great law, for other people" mindset of progressives
Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:56 pm to Brosef Stalin
Sounds like that is pretty much the end of all 1099 work. For IT contractors that would pretty much ruin their livelihood.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So, no, we didn’t get to contact our representatives before the vote and plead with them not to vote for it or at least give the independent music industry an exemption.
I knew about this law with enough time that I could have called my state representatives if this was an Alabama law. These people are just morons who don't pay attention.
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I’m sure Assemblywoman Gonzalez and Governor Newsom had the best intentions to support workers being taken advantage of by big corporations.
Yeah right. That law is bad for everyone.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:00 pm to dakarx
here is an LA Times article on the bill
exemptions: all you need to know about how shitty a law is
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Under AB 5, which will take effect Jan. 1, Californians will be considered to be employees of a business unless an employer can show the work they perform meets a detailed set of criteria established by a California Supreme Court ruling last year. Under those criteria, a worker is an employee if his or her job forms part of a company’s core business, if the bosses direct the way the work is done or if the worker has not established an independent trade or business.
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But while the legislation began as a way to formalize the 2018 court ruling, it quickly became the focus of a high-stakes lobbying effort over which kinds of jobs and industries deserved exemption from the new rules. Doctors, accountants, architects, real estate agents, travel agents, graphic designers and investment advisors — along with many other professions — will not be subject to the strict employee rules under the new law.
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Other exemptions come with conditions. Commercial fishermen are exempt except from unemployment insurance. Barbers, cosmetologists and manicurists are exempt only if they set their own rates, are paid directly by clients and schedule their own appointments. Salespeople are exempt, provided their pay is based on actual sales rather than wholesale purchases or referrals
exemptions: all you need to know about how shitty a law is
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i am not even sure if this interpretation is correct, it's just a great example of the "i think this is a great law, for other people" mindset of progressives
This ideology is at the very core of their belief structure. It precisely how Bernie justifies his $750,000 vacation home.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Clown World..Cali no longer looking like just a foreign state..but another country altogether..f@cking Martians.
Even Wendy has to lament their mass exodus to her weird Austin by now?
Even Wendy has to lament their mass exodus to her weird Austin by now?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Another reason these scum will flee California and go vote blue in another state
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:05 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Even Wendy has to lament their mass exodus to her weird Austin by now?
she's found other areas of income, but she is 100% where i saw this posted on FB
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
:shockedface:
No one could have predicted this.
No one could have predicted this.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why don't they want to pay their fair share?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why don’t they let workers negotiate their own pay and deals? Do they think workers are too dumb to know if they are being exploited?
More paternalism from the tolerant, benevolent regressives that ultimately fricks the people they claim to care about.
More paternalism from the tolerant, benevolent regressives that ultimately fricks the people they claim to care about.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
I love how this a-hole is only worried about the music industry. Typical liberal only thinks about themselves while accusing OTHERS of being greedy.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's a stupid law for sure, but by my reading of it, musicians would be excluded.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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but by my reading of it, musicians would be excluded.
why ?
even an LAT article said musicians likely would face issues. i think it's in the article i linked if not i can find it again
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for "workers’ rights” and I’m sure Assemblywoman Gonzalez and Governor Newsom had the best intentions
As with everything else the left touches, you can’t judge them based on the results of their idiotic policies, you must judge them by their good intentions. So ignore the fact that governor Newsom and Assemblywoman Gonzalez wrecked they entire independent music industry for the state of California, they had the greatest of intentions so we’ll give them a pass.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Under those criteria, a worker is an employee if his or her job forms part of a company’s core business, if the bosses direct the way the work is done or if the worker has not established an independent trade or business.
I guess it would depend on some things. If an established band is hiring a musician, then that musician would likely be an employee of the band. (Music is their core business and they would direct the musician on the way the work is done) Although, depending on how the money is handled, they could all be partners.
If a bar or restaurant is hiring the musician, than he is likely not an employee. Music is not their core business and they are not directing the musician on the way the work is done.)
Just my opinion, on a stupid, convoluted topic.
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