re: So what exactly is the main argument against universal healthcare

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Under your plan , we would be stuck paying for the losers in society .

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You're already doing it. Why do you think you aren't?

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You're already doing it. Why do you think you aren't?

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No , I am not.

That's what the proponents of universal healthcare say but it's not true.

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I don't want my healthcare controlled by one of the most financially inefficient entities in the world, the United States Federal Government.

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And let’s not forget the $21 Trillion in debt. It’s like depending on a person with $80,000 in credit card bills, a cocaine habit, and a $13,000 income to pay for your medical bills. What could go wrong?!

Let’s point out some flaws in the premise

Healthcare is a misnomer. The issue is sick care for a very sick populace

You cannot fix healthcare without making radical changes to nutritional and public policy

You would have to essentially undo decades of flawed nutritional policy
You would have to move work /school hours back to allow people to sleep. Conversely, you would need to restrict electronic exposures to enhance sleep. Sadly, this would have to likely be in the form of sin taxes/mandates

You would essentially need to completely overhaul the standard American way of life...

The glaring context that is missing in your graph is that the American system maintains some of the most apathetic, terrible baseline health folks there are. It is great at treating acute problems (trauma and surgical issues). It is terrible with chronic diseases (in part because it favors pharmaceuticals over lifestyle counseling. The European models do better because the baseline health of the populace is better. Our system generates profits by extending lifespan while not improving healthspan. This compounds the problem and is why the system is so expensive (more $$$ while managing chronically sick people)

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Yeah. Just ignore the graph proving that we already have the most expensive healthcare system in the world by a wide margin

Nothing to see there right

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I’m late to the thread but someone has to pay for the R&D to develop the meds. I’m all for every other country having to pay the same as we pay but for some reason democrats want to give everything to other countries in exchange for appointing their frickup kids to sweet pay to play jobs

Edit: don’t discount that because democrats are pushing for it that any class of people that aren’t considered democrat voters (white men) will get screwed over

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I think this issue is greatly exaggerated.

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Your failure to consider reality is noted

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I can get in to see a specialist in a week and an MRI a few days after that. Socialized countries for the most part can't.

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There are fewer MRI machines in Canada than there are in Tennessee.

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They're cheaper because they don’t treat expensive, chronic and terminal patients. The leave them to die.

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What is our success rate with treating these patients?

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So what exactly is the main argument against universal healthcare

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I’d say the fact that in order to pay for universal healthcare we would completely destroy our economy and bankrupt the country is the most valid reason to to oppose it.