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re: My "Make Every Game Count" proposal for CFB Playoffs

Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:09 pm to
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Giving an automatic bid to a P5 conference champion is a horrible idea. So what happens when an 7-5 Pitt pulls off an upset and knocks off Clemson in a conference championship game.


Same thing that happens when an NFL team wins a division at 9-7

Outliers happen. You dont make systems/rules/policies based on outliers
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:12 pm to
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yeah, every game except those 5.


No, they count. Ask the other ACC teams that went 7-5 but lost to Pitt, or 6-6.

I find it odd that conferences are virtually worthless to the CFP situation as it stands. Why they ever landed on 4 teams in a 5 power conference setup in the first place is beyond me.

Maybe something like being ranked in the top 15 as a prerequisite would be a compromise. But I see issues with that as well.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:13 pm to



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What if Pitt was without a few key players for the first 5 games. Started the season 0-5,


they should have taken care of business.

the season starts Late Aug/Early Sept.

you just ignored the entire first month of the season in favor of ONE game in December.


that’s not every game counting.
that’s ONE game counting.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
8855 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:15 pm to
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No, they count.


no, they don’t.

if they did count, a 5 loss team would not be in over a 1 loss team.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21930 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

Giving an automatic bid to a P5 conference champion is a horrible idea. So what happens when an 7-5 Pitt pulls off an upset and knocks off Clemson in a conference championship game.



What if there's some kind of stipulation that in that type of scenario if a team with 2-3+ losses wins a conference championship that auto bid flips to an at large bid. Or same concept but if they aren't ranked hihg enough in the computer/BCS polls.

Essentially add some extra criteria in to keep a team from a crappy division springing an upset and getting an auto bid.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:26 pm to
So why not just skip the playoffs and go back to voting on the champion based on deserving it?

There is nothing theoretically different between ignoring a 5 loss team beating a 1 loss team in a conference championship game/"round 1" game and ignoring a 2 loss 4 seed upsetting an undefeated 1 seed.

You play a round robin in division, so yes, every game counts in terms of who wins it. Literally every game is factored into that. There is no eye test or considerations for certain variables. It's decided by the outcomes of football games.

We're also talking about a ridiculously unlikely scenario as some sort of show stopper.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
35248 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:34 pm to
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I would like to see 8 conferences with 12 teams each. That's 96 teams. Each conference has a championship game, and winner of the championship game makes the playoffs.


This is what I have always wanted. Win your conference and you are in. I dont care the circumstances that got you there. Then have a lottery show, a draw of the hat if you will, that determines who you play. Let the luck of the draw decide the match ups. Thise match ups are your bowl games
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

provide an automatic bid

Never been a big fan of the automatic bid in any sport.
Posted by Paul Maul number 37
Member since Feb 2009
1111 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:07 pm to
The way to expand the playoffs is actually quite easy. If any of the teams being considered for the end of the year college playoffs have already played during the season, the winner of THAT game gets selected and the other team is eliminated from consideration. You can stick with the four team format this way and eliminate rematches completely.
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
1976 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:11 pm to
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I would like to see 8 conferences with 12 teams each. That's 96 teams. Each conference has a championship game, and winner of the championship game makes the playoffs.


I would prefer 8 conferences with 9 teams each. 72 teams is enough in my opinion. The bottom half of the Group of 6 are not anywhere competitive with the Power 5 teams.

No conference championship games. Every team plays the 8 conference-round-robin games, one randomly selected road game and one randomly selected home game. Then they can schedule anyone for the last game, so bigger schools can get that 6th home game and smaller schools can get the rent-a-win money. Conferences declare a champion and that team gets in.

Seed the teams using BCS rules and top 4 teams host first round weekend before Christmas.

Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
8855 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:14 pm to
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There is nothing theoretically different between ignoring a 5 loss team beating a 1 loss team in a conference championship game/"round 1" game and ignoring a 2 loss 4 seed upsetting an undefeated 1 seed.



well, for starters, there has never been a 2-loss team in the playoffs.

Secondly, getting INTO the playoffs is your reward for the complete season (including the conference championship weekend).

Losing on Championship weekend can absolutely cost you a spot. And it should as it is part of the overall body of work. But simply winning that game should not guarantee you jack or shite if the rest of your body of work wasn't good enough.

quote:

It's decided by the outcomes of football games.



yeah, games start last weekend in August or first weekend in September and last through Conference Championship weekend the first weekend of December. ALL games during that stretch should be taken into account.

If you lose 5 freaking games, you don't automatically leapfrog the 20 or so teams ahead of you because you won 1 freaking game in December.

A ton of other teams plain and simply had better seasons than you did.


quote:

We're also talking about a ridiculously unlikely scenario as some sort of show stopper.



because worst case scenarios happen.
a lot more often than you realize.

several times just since the advent of Conference Championship games, a team that would have been in a 4 team playoff scenario has lost that weekend to a team that simply wasn't in that conversation.

the higher ranked/seeded teams that lost, lost their spots (except '03 OU), as they should.
the lower ranked/seeded team didn't get to just jump over a whole pile of teams with better resumes, and they shouldn't, because they didn't freaking earn over the course of a season.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4071 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

"Make Every Game Count"

Can you elaborate on how the Texas A&M / UTSA game this weekend counts?
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67790 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:21 pm to
I don’t like that all the P5 champs automatically qualify. I say 8 teams is fair. Imagine the excitement when 10-12 fanbases are going into the final weekend with a chance at the playoffs.
Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4132 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:46 pm to
Simple. 8 team playoff. Power 5 champs get in and all power 5 conferences have to play a championship game. The week following the Power 5 conference championship games, hold 3 play in games between the highest ranked remaining teams for the other 3 spots. The eight teams are then seeded according to the rankings. frick having a committee.

This accomplishes:

a.) Giving at least 11 teams the chance to play for a title. Could be as high as 16 if none of the P5 conf champ game losers are among the 6 at large teams

b.) Prevents teams who did not play in a conference championship game ( like ND every year or Alabama for several years) from waltzing into the playoffs having only played 12 games vs the 13 games that the conf champs played. It could result in some teams playing 14 games, but would they turn down the opportunity? I think not.

c.) Would be similar to the NFL in that the conference winners essentially get a "bye" during play-in week.

d.) The entire country would have a team from their region to pull for. Ratings would be phenomenal.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
4679 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:49 pm to
If a team that finishes 2nd in its division, 3rd in its conference gets placed in the CFP — the division winner should have an option to forfeit the CCG without penalty.

Is that unfair to the other division? Perhaps — but if there is an argument to put in two teams from the same division, it doesn’t sound like the opposite division has much of an argument to begin with.

There should never be a situation where a team benefits from losing a game. That is literally the entire reason the NCAA retooled the format to begin with.

Furthermore, it should be an explicit committee recommendation that post-season (not even just CFP) rematches from the regular season in a league that has 120 teams but only 4 available playoff spots should be avoided wherever possible.

A 120 team league is not comparable to the NFL at all — the head-to-head result of two teams up for CFP consideration should be seen as an excellent metric by which to narrow the field ...perhaps with potential exceptions for road teams that lose by 7 or less — actually, maybe even 3 or less.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18683 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

So, I like the 6 more than the 8, despite the weaknesses (teams will always be left out, even if you expanded to 12, 16, etc.
8 is the right amount: 5 auto bids for P5 champs and 3 at large. Only adds one more round, and only let's the committee select slots 6-8, and then seed the teams. It's perfect.
quote:

and each tier adds more games for the eventual winners - tough to do with 18 to 22 year old kids
it only adds one more round and besides, the "more games" argument doesn't hold water -- since the FCS uses a 24-team playoff.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18683 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

Never been a big fan of the automatic bid in any sport.
why? The auto bid makes the conference championship much more meaningful.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
4679 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:55 pm to
Auto-bid is a terrible idea. These conferences and their divisions are not created equal. I don’t want to see some pedestrian team back into the CFP on a fluke.

It’s really not comparable to the NFL at all — we are looking at ~30 teams vs ~120 teams and talking about the post-season format here.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 2:58 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18683 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 2:58 pm to
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Auto-bid is a terrible idea. These conferences and their divisions are not created equal. I don’t want to see some pedestrian team back into the CFP on a fluke.
but you'll never get each division in each conference to be equal. And the power shifts throughout the years - remember when the SEC East was dominant and the West was down? That applies to other conferences too.

You're seeking perfection, which will never be achieved. The fair way is to put all P5 conf champs in with an auto-bid, and then give 3 other deserving teams and at-large. Best of both worlds.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted by ScootiniTiger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2007
2697 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 3:01 pm to
I agree. Conference champs and BCS.
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