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Biting the Bullet on HVAC System

Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:43 am
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1790 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:43 am
Been putting off and was hoping to get at least one more year out of it. Got home last night and it was 78*. Already replaced the starter and added freon this year. Out of freon again.

Any brands y'all could recommend? Got the guy lined up to come out this afternoon to shoot more freon in it and get me a price of replacing
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:52 am to
The guy I use only does Rheem/Ruud and speaks well of them.

Trane is still nice I guess but pricey.
Posted by CORIMA
LAFAYETTE
Member since May 2014
523 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:21 am to
American standard is same as trane, few dollars less. Some good articles on Angie's list which make the point that it is mostly about the installer. A cheap Goodman can last with a good install and a top of the line Trane fail with a poor install.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5285 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:28 am to
The installer and labor warranty post install is more important than the name/brand/manufacturer on the equipment as most HVAC manufacturers use the same component parts with some proprietary component exceptions.

Find someone/company with a good reputation and your comfortable with with regards to the install and follow up service. I’d personally feel comfortable with any of major name brands of HVACs. Get multiple quotes.

Ask the company if they perform a manual J calculation to size your new unit or if they just use the old rule of thumb of 1 ton per 500 sq ft. Insure the installer provides you AHRI matching condensing unit and evaporator coil. It’s a big investment, you get one shot to do it right.

Most experienced HVAC techs say the most common issue they see with poorly operating systems, including new installs, are oversized HVAC units and undersized ducts.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 10:29 am
Posted by JBrignac
Member since Oct 2017
176 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:50 am to
Installed a Rheem 2 years ago. Compressor went out last month. Parts covered under warranty but not the labor. Luckily, brother-in-law was able to help with install.
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1790 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:52 am to
The company I use has run a manual j calculation last year. I need a 5ton unit. Some of the name brands he sales offer lifetime labor, I think it's Amana that he said offers that. But he can get other manufacturers
Posted by Tiger1414
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2017
23 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:56 am to
I will be in a similar situation soon. My A/C guy has been talking up Daiken, a Japanese company with some operations out of Houston. He says all the popular name brands are basically the same and are nothing great.
Posted by CORIMA
LAFAYETTE
Member since May 2014
523 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:02 am to
also, if you plan to stay in the same house a while, value comfort, and have the budget, look into the variable speed units. Very quiet and can control humidity very well, which makes for more comfort.
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1790 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:27 am to
This is not our "forever home". If it was, I would tell him to install two units for it.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20543 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:37 am to
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Got home last night and it was 78*. Already replaced the starter and added freon this year. Out of freon again.


They are closed systems. You shouldn't lose freon, it has a leak that can likely be fixed. Now a lot of the leaks are in a part that just needs replaced which could be pricey.

But there's absolutely 0 reason to replace an AC system because it leaked. Fix the leak or at least find it first. Sometimes the leaks are just in a bad solder spot.

But AC systems are a lot like an older car. You can usually fix them and keep them working for awhile. The fix could be expensive but in the long run it usually works out financially to keep fixing them.

You replace if its going to be an expensive repair on an older unit where a newer unit would save you money and be more comfortable.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119569 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:10 pm to
Mine was replaced 3 years ago with trane, and its been great since.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9825 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:32 pm to
You've got a valid point about replacing parts.

Has your AC tech told you where the leak is? Likely in the inside coil which is a $1000-1500 repair.

And how old is the leaky unit?
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 2:32 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5285 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

The company I use has run a manual j calculation last year. I need a 5ton unit. Some of the name brands he sales offer lifetime labor, I think it's Amana that he said offers that. But he can get other manufacturers

That they conducted a Manual J bodes well that you might have a pretty good company. Amana is supposed to be premier line of Daikin who also makes Goodman and some other labeled brands. I’ve heard that Amana line has a lifetime labor warranty, but I’m sure that’s built into the price structure. I see that you say this not your forever home so seems like a base-line single stage unit with no fancy frills or features would be the way to go. I’d have him quote other manufacturers brands and weigh the pros and cons. Would a Amana lifetime labor warranty transfer to a new owner?

How old is your existing unit? R-22 I assume. As baldona stated if your leak is that bad, and it seems to be, should be easy to find assuming they haven’t already found the leak and told you about it. If it’s a old unit, say 13-15 years old, and it’s a leaky condensing coil or evaporator coil that needs replacement, then a new HVAC system is probably best. But sometimes they leak at the service ports, Schrader valve, and that is an easy relatively inexpensive fix for a tech.

Sometimes you need to find the “small” shops that focus solely on HVAC service and repairs, rather than new installs, who are willing to find and repair leaks. Bigger companies tend to push replacement units once all major part warranties expire after 10 years.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25085 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:36 pm to
Replaced two of three units last year Carrier.
At the time they had some of the best reviews.

They so far have been great.
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1790 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

How old is your existing unit? R-22 I assume.


Old. Inside evaporator coil was replaced in 2010, compressor in 2008 per the previous owner. We've been in the house for 3yrs. Had something go wrong every year.

Last month when the AC guy was there, he asked me what year the house was built, I replied 1986. He said that's probably how old the condenser is. I wouldn't put it past the previous owner. At one point in time he pressure washed it, bent the find and it's starting to rush at the base of it
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Rheem/Ruud and speaks well of them.



Very big fan of these units.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20543 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Last month when the AC guy was there, he asked me what year the house was built, I replied 1986. He said that's probably how old the condenser is


Lol, ok you should probably replace then. It may be worth money its sooo old!

I'm not saying don't replace it, I was just playing devil's advocate because soooo often guys simply replace them at the first sign of trouble.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 1:30 pm to
Where is the leak? If it's in one of your lines, you may not have to replace the unit.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5285 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

Old. Inside evaporator coil was replaced in 2010, compressor in 2008 per the previous owner. We've been in the house for 3yrs. Had something go wrong every year.

Yep sounds like your due for a replacement unit. My first unit was a Trane and lasted 12 years before the compressor died (2005) and needed replacement, evaporator 2 years latter. No repair service required during that 12 year run. Replaced with Tappan (Nordyne), by same company that installed the Trane. I’m at 14 years on the second system, no repair service required on that system in 13 years, until last summer when I was low 1 pound of R-22 but the system been cooling fine since last summer, so whatever leak I have is a small one.

But I know I’m also likely due for a new system given it’s age, so I’m doing homework to replace mine in the foreseeable future. My homework leads to conclude that the installer is more important than the name brand, but I suspect I’ll go with either Trane/American Standard, Rheem/Rudd, or Carrier/Bryant.
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
14790 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 1:57 pm to
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