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Question for OB in regards to suppressor and SOT
Posted on 7/30/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/30/19 at 2:31 pm
A friend of mine bought a suppressor from a dealer in BR last June. HE bought one of their manufactured cans. His stamp was approved 5 weeks ago and the SOT has had the stamp since July 2nd. They put him off from picking it up because of a gun show 2 weeks ago . Last week they finally told him they haven't built it but it should be ready by the end of this week.
My question is how long does an SOT have once they receive the stamp to clear the form 4 from their books? I think its pretty poor customer service not to have a guys can ready within the year.
My question is how long does an SOT have once they receive the stamp to clear the form 4 from their books? I think its pretty poor customer service not to have a guys can ready within the year.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 2:34 pm
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 2:45 pm to lsufan1971
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Last week they finally told him they haven't built it but it should be ready by the end of this week.
what serial # did they use when they sent off the F4?
do they just keep a list of serials and say "we'll make this one once it's approved." lmao
extremely poor look for them
Posted on 7/30/19 at 2:52 pm to lsufan1971
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its pretty poor customer service not to have a guys can ready within the year.
Yeah that's pretty messed up. I would be pissed.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 2:54 pm to Carson123987
I have no idea what serial# they used. I am assuming they have it on the books and like you said we will make it once we get around to it. He has been way more patient than I would have. The kicker was the last call he made to them. They basically told him don't call us we will call you when it's ready.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 2:54 pm to lsufan1971
Most custom shops do not build until approved. Once its all good they start, seems like a gun show was in the way of that. And yes serial# in with app and if not used because of denial can be used for the next man up. Just like it would if you bought a premade can and get denied.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 3:05 pm to lsufan1971
The friend now has the option to not support local on future purchases
Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:38 pm to Boat Motor Bandit
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until approved. Once its all good they start, seems like a gun show was in the way of that. And yes serial# in with app and if not used because of denial can be used for the next man up. Just like it would if you bought a premade can and get denied.
Yeah, that's not the way it works. When you file an ATF form you are attesting that you are in possession of the item listed and that you wish to transfer it. In fact, the Form 2 would have had to be filed giving notice that the item had previously been manufactured just for the Serial Number to be in the NFRTR in order to file a Form 4. Pre-filing a bunch of numbers without having the items manufactured is a serious Regulatory No-No. It was tried, and a bunch of people lost FFL's over it, back when the Assault Weapons Ban came down. People filed that they had manufactured pre-ban AR receivers on hand when they in fact did not. Same thing applies X10 with NFA items.
Pretty sure that isn't what happened here.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 7/30/19 at 5:04 pm to jbgleason
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When you file an ATF form you are attesting that you are in possession of the item listed and that you wish to transfer it. In fact, the Form 2 would have had to be filed giving notice that the item had previously been manufactured just for the Serial Number to be in the NFRTR in order to file a Form 4
This is absolutely correct. I can almost guarantee I know what shop you’re talking about and I’ve seen them do lots of things below board when it comes to ATF compliance if it’s the same one I’m thinking of ??
Posted on 7/30/19 at 5:19 pm to lsufan1971
Who is the dealer?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 5:21 pm to lsufan1971
I think I’d tell the shop to have it by tomorrow or you’d be reporting them after he’s able to get the suppressor of course.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:15 pm to Pat Sajak
Without literally spelling it out they were born out of the RJF debacle.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:18 pm to lsufan1971
Exactly who I assumed. Haha.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:24 pm to 1860pissed
My buddy just wants his can and they really have been dicks about it. I Know a few people that have dealt with them and they have never met an estimated time frame on work done.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:41 pm to jbgleason
quote:Sounds like the best thing to do is just bite your tongue and wait it out. They have already painted themselves into a corner if they don't build and transfer the item. I wouldn't risk getting an inferior product from a butt hurt dealer over a few days when it's already been a year.
In fact, the Form 2 would have had to be filed giving notice that the item had previously been manufactured
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:06 pm to lsufan1971
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they have never met an estimated time frame
In all fairness, not that it makes it right, but that is 100% standard in the custom gun business. Customer Service as it relates to delivery dates is ignored and always has been. I have a good friend who pre-paid on a custom 1911 from a famous gunsmith. It was delivered two and a half YEARS late. Crazy.
Has always been that way.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:08 pm to 1860pissed
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Without literally spelling it out they were born out of the RJF debacle
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Exactly who I assumed. Haha.
Yep
Posted on 7/31/19 at 7:35 am to jbgleason
Gleason i'm not saying its the right thing to do according to ATF regs. What I'm saying is that is the way some custom gun shops do it. You'd be surprised at what you don't know happens at these places. And yes that is exactly what happened here. Its a text book custom shop practice
Posted on 7/31/19 at 8:25 pm to Boat Motor Bandit
Custom guns, sure. No problem. NFA items, not a chance that should happen. I’m assuming he “pre” serializes the tubes when he submits the Form 2 and just finishes the manufacturing process whenever he feels like it. Still not the way it should be done since a tube with no baffles isn’t a suppressor but it’s not my SOT on the line.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 9:13 pm to lsufan1971
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I Know a few people that have dealt with them and they have never met an estimated time frame on work done.
They threaded my CZ 452. Did an excellent job.
But I did show up there after a stupid amount of time for a thread job and demand my gun back. They apologized and got it done by the next weekend, which is still entirely to long to thread a barrel.
I am happy for the 22 suppressor I bought from them for like $100.
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