re: Qs for the Moon Landing HOAXERS - which category are you in?

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can't tell with you, because of your skill level at it.

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I think it’s your skill on picking up sarcasm that needs work bud.

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Good thing I said "seems" alone!

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Right? Most folks didn't get as much exposure to the mission patches... especially those of us born a decade after the fact.

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Thanks for posting the great pic. I enjoyed seeing the great mission patches.

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Sadly it was just jacked from the internet... my older brother has the real one that was hanging in grandpa's study. Jokes on him, I got all the cool shite in the retirement binder from 4+ decades at (McDonnell) Douglas. The presidential commendation letters, internal memos signed by whomever was head at NASA at the time... can't find that stuff on ebay or amazon Plus the one thing I got from grandpa I value most, ability to do math... quickly, accurately, and calculator free

Grandpa was a real baw's baw. First job out of college was working for standard oil of Montana. Then it was off to Cali for blowing up rockets. The first "successful" rocket he worked on got used for the starfish prime shite, after it was retired as an intermediate range cold war nuke. They were still using a bastardized version of that rocket as recent as last year. Y'all knew it as the delta ii. I'm beyond disappointed to have lost him at 18. The stories he must have had...

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Please debunk this catchy song for me... no sarcasm. thanks
Youtube
Snapshot of some topics brought up. Some legit conspiracy theories, others not so much...

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Who_Dat_Tiger, do I need to debunk them musically? Do you prefer harmony or solo? Tell you what, I am going to respond to each item in the screen-shot, but I have not listened to the song yet. And also, I am going to respond to each from memory, no looking anything up.

If you find anything piss poor below, let me know, and I'll go a little deeper (listen to the YT link and/or do some additional research). Here goes.. respectfully and unsarcastically.


Van Allen Belts - a favorite of the hoax crowd. The danger in passing through this zone is real, and not trivial. However, the "fatal risk" is also overstated by the hoaxers. There are worse spots in the VABs where the danger is higher than other areas, particularly the areas corresponding to Earth's magnetic poles. This was not a region the Apollo astronauts traversed. However, the danger was real. I think some have equated it to, perhaps, something like 100 chest x-rays worth of radiation, or maybe 200. I believe Astronaut Swigert developed cancer a decade after his Apollo 13 flight, and died a few months later.
JP's Take: Risks Highly Overstated

Fake Moon Rocks: I know of the "C-Rock" which is a photo with a faint "C" on it, thus the hoaxers thought it proved it was from a Hollywood set (a prop for "Location C"). The original negative was found, and the "C" was determined to be an errant human hair. Not a surprise, given, what, 50,000 developed negatives?
Was there another fake moon rock story? Again, I am doing all this from memory.
JP's Take: DEBUNKED

No Blast Crater: Armstrong described a discoloration beneath the descent engine, and photos do show some minor "browning". The engine was cut with the LM quite a few feet above the surface, and the engine bell is a couple feet within the envelope of the footpads (vertically) so the blast never really got THAT close to the surface. Also, the dust layer was not all that thick, so this hoax theory mostly involves a poor understanding of physics, and the lunar surface.
JP's Take: DEBUNKED

Intersecting Shadows: this is one of my favorites. If you don't think shadows can intersect on land area of varying terrain, then you do not really understand light, shadow, and terrain. This issue can be easily shown to be a lame hoax theory by going to the beach near sunset and making a few hills and valleys. MythBusters completely debunked this far better than I could here.
JP's Take: DEBUNKED

Nixon Phone Call: I have heard the entire phone call, and nothing seems fishy to me. I think I heard some mention of it in the hoax arsenal somewhere, but it has been a while.
JP's Take: TBD / need more info

Foot Prints Don't Match: What? Don't match the boots? Yes they do? Don't match the boot size? That seems like quite a stretch to determine with photographs and astronaut boot size charts. Huh? There was footwear on the flight (and now in museums) that was different from the boot used on the surface.
JP's Take: probably fricking stupid

Telemetry Data Lost: Yes, the US Government lost some data. So be it. If you have ever been in the military or worked at a government facility, the loss of items doesn't surprise me
JP's Take: typical bureaucracy

Astronauts on Wires: I've seen one "example of this" found by the hoaxers, maybe Apollo 15 and an astronaut rights himself after a stumble. It does look odd, and nearly effortless. Having never experienced 1/6 gravity, anyone with an open mind can comprehend that the "effortlessness" is most likely from that fact, rather than from wires. Particularly since there are dozens and dozens of hours of Lunar EVA footage and no wire can be "interpreted" in any other portion.
JP's Take: DEBUNKED

Man, there are some sick puppies on this board.

Who_Dat_Tiger, I answered you, any response?


OBSERVATIONS:

1) when a thread aimed at paying tribute to the Apollo Lunar Landings is posted by someone on the O-T, the hoax crowd chimes in at a 30% to 50% posting rate.

2) when a thread is created, specifically dedicated to giving the hoaxers a platform to expound their beliefs, the responses from them are a fraction of that.

CONCLUSION: hoaxers crave attention

Thanks for this thread, JP. I’ve really enjoyed reading it. I’ve also been watching a series currently running on either discovery or science channel looking into this very subject. There’s a skeptic, another guy, and an ex astronaut debunking these crackpot theories.

I’m a huge Apollo fan.

Do you know of any astronauts that have seen aliens in space?

Haven’t watched yet actually

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Do you know of any astronauts that have seen aliens in space?

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Short answer.. NO.

I taught well over a dozen astronauts an ISS maintenance class from 1999 to 2003. I had some time to get to know them in these classes (a three hour hands-on instructional at the ISS mock-up, JSC Bldg. 9). But none of them were talking that frankly with me.

I got to know three astronauts extremely well while on few long stays in Moscow. Became friends even. But these folks are the rock stars of the program, and they have to put everyone at least somewhat at arm's length, even when hanging out in my apartment near Prospekt Mira and downing Baltica #7s.

Anyway, if they had seen something in space, alien related, they wouldn't have told me.

However, my worldview all but discounts that as even a remote possibility. Its just not the way the universe works.