Immigration and Christianity

This would be a cleaner conversation if we unravel the parts.

We could darn near be an open border country if there were NO government benefits to be had by those who are showing up.

If it were a 'work or starve' situation only the best, brightest and most confident would bother coming by nature.

BUT instead, government gives away a bunch of goodies to illegals. That IS NOT charity and has nothing to do with any religious belief.

SO, you see we cannot conflate these 2 ideas as you are trying.

Why is it the United States role to provide and care for everyone in the world?

I believe God gives nations borders. And what are the Satanist/Globalist/Illuminati masters trying to do? Initiate a one world open society.

It's pretty clear; what God has ordained, evil people try to unravel.

The problem is that the left creates a problem (not without the right's help, TBH), and then uses the problem to avoid any chance at a solution.

For example, not fixing the border or establishing a real way to sort regular immigrants from genuine refugees, and then lashing out at the right for chaos when border facilities are overcrowded and conditions are poor.

As a Christian, I don't really object to some deportations. I'm not a "send them all back" person, but I'm definitely a "limit the flow and deport those who don't play by the generous set of rules we set" person. I want the US to be a destination for those who want a better and more peaceful life, but unlimited flow of immigrants, some of whom may not want the things that provide that atmosphere, is counterproductive.

I have no semblance of "this country belongs to white Christians" but I do believe that the west in general can't help the world if it shoots itself by disowning the culture that made it the world's brightest beacon.

The reward of your Christianity, will be MERIT/based. I.e., "he that seweth sparingly...". If 'Heaven' had an open 'Border', it would cease to be Heaven.

I realize that those people are desperate to raise their QOL. But if they plan on doing so by dishonest (no working/earning their gains), then they will do (relatively so) to this Nation what they did to the 'Nation' they are fleeing.

Now if they agree to bear allegiance/contribute to the prosperity of this Nation via Constitutional Principle, then they are welcome. If they come to vote Authoritarian Socialist...then they are coming to a place where the war they left will look like child's play. Because a lot of people in this Nation take their God-given Rights very seriously, and being armed to the teeth, won't give it up without a tooth and nail fight.

And being a scapegoat in that day, will be a lot worse than the land they abandoned.

IMO. Vision might overrule the current Democratic Marxist push, but I don't see Leadership that can make it happen.

My view is that it’s less efficient to try to import every poor person in the world to the USA. There are billions (with a B) of people around the world that live worse than even the poorest person in the US.

We would be better served sending people to these poor nations that are failing to try to teach them to lift themselves out of poverty where they are. Even if we doubled the number of immigrants we took in per year we would do absolutely nothing to alleviate the poverty of the world. I think many liberals come from an honest place thinking they are being charitable by letting people come here but it’s not really even putting a dent in fixing the root of the problem.

If we had the choice to take the money we currently spend on welfare for illegal immigrants and spend it on sending specially trained teams of young Americans out to poor regions of poor countries to teach them how to develop their own communities, I would do it in a heartbeat. Even offer to pay off student loans for kids that do it for x number of years. Win win for everyone. And it would give some perspective to the people growing up in the US now who try to paint themselves as victims and oppressed. “Poor” people here grow up never missing a meal and they have TVs and iPhones.

I bet most of the people who come here illegally would rather stay in their home country if they could, their economies just suck.

I don’t think it’s efficient to send them all back but why do they get to benefit unfairly just because they live within “walking” or driving distance of the US? There are people in India and other parts of Asia and Africa that are in much worse shape that will never get the option to illegally immigrate to the US simply because they weren’t lucky enough to be born on the same landmass. I wonder how many of them we could afford to take in if we weren’t overwhelmed by illegals from South America who might actually be better off when compared?

Pick one:

A) Open borders
B) Welfare state

Limited resources is a truism.

The question is whether or not the state has a different responsibility than the civilian. The answer is "yes". The state can put people to death in the name of justice where the civilian can't. The civilian can show love and mercy to others in the name of Christian charity while the state has a responsibility to enforce the law and keep its citizens safe by that enforcement.

We're talking about a difference in roles. Your heart can bleed for the immigrants but it's not immoral for the state to enforce its own laws on the matter.

When Jesus said to love thy neighbor, I don’t think he meant ignoring your literal neighbors to invent new ones all across the globe. Nation states are a biblical concept since God made them after the Tower of Babel. We should not destroy our country or replace our neighbors with people who will never accept Christ in any meaningful way.