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Posted on 6/4/19 at 9:40 pm to djmicrobe
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Is there proof that CO2 causes warming?
All the proof you need is easily shown.
If your hands are cold, and you cup and blow on them...it helps warm your hands.
Whats in that warm breath you blow on your hands?? CO-frickin' 2!!
Posted on 6/4/19 at 10:01 pm to yatesdog38
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it is affecting things like plants. more CO2 will effect plant and animal evolution. There was a time on earth when there was a crapload more CO2. The successful species adapted by having bigger stomata and bigger leaves to absorb more CO2. before long there will be gigantic leaved trees everywhere with a bunch of badass gigantic frogs eating gigantic mosquitos. it's only a matter of time.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 10:07 pm to hubertcumberdale
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I may be off here, but isnt this why you introduce z (compressibility factor) into the equation, which becomes the real gas law rather than ideal to account for the changing density at different P&Ts?
Z is determined empirically for different gases as basically a correction factor in the IGL to achieve accurate results. Air works perfectly in the IGL model. Other gases need a factor based on temperature and pressure to predict outcomes using the IGL.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 10:08 pm to kbmaverick
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Oh really. Shows how much you don't know. Would you like to dive into some deep thermodynamic with me
I have a PhD in Mech E with a research focus in Thermodynamics and heat transfer and got told by these dumbass liberals that I had no idea what I was talking about regarding the CO2 causing warming lie. They have no idea, fricking idiots.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 10:32 pm to djmicrobe
They got it arse backwards. Rise in CO2 follows the rise in temperature.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 10:49 pm to Duke
quote:I did.
What a surprise, you won't state your point.
quote:density = m/v. NC_Tigah got it right on pg4. Work out he causality in an unconstrained environment (like an atmosphere). Probably helpful to do it in differential form rather than algebraic.
What is it that I'm stating as constant that isn't?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:02 am to Taxing Authority
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Really? So CO2 levels have been constant throughout history? Is that your assertion?
That is not what I said. I would expect ebbs and flows if we believe the biosphere is capable of adjusting to CO2 amounts present at any given time.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:57 am to GumboPot
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According to this:
That's a damn beautiful graph. It shows a "log" function. See how there is almost no change between 200 ppm and 1200 ppm? Almost all of the change happens between 0 and 50 ppm. Our goal should be to get to under 50 ppm so the planet can heal - except for one thing. Below about 180 ppm, all plant life dies - followed shortly by all animal life. The graph clearly shows that CO2 is not the cause of global warming - or anything else. The true cause of "global warming" is the fricking zealots that "fix" the temperature data - always pushing it down in the past and correcting it upward in the present.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 1:01 am
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:09 am to LakeCharles
Cloud cover has far more to do with temperature than CO2
Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:11 am to Taxing Authority
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We do? How much heat do they emit? Finally, why don’t cykineers of welding gas—pure CO2– not heat up?
edited: My bad, you were being facetious. Anyway, I never said that greenhouse gases generated any heat.
This post was edited on 6/5/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:04 am to LakeCharles
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That's a damn beautiful graph. It shows a "log" function. See how there is almost no change between 200 ppm and 1200 ppm? Almost all of the change happens between 0 and 50 ppm. Our goal should be to get to under 50 ppm so the planet can heal - except for one thing. Below about 180 ppm, all plant life dies - followed shortly by all animal life. The graph clearly shows that CO2 is not the cause of global warming - or anything else. The true cause of "global warming" is the fricking zealots that "fix" the temperature data - always pushing it down in the past and correcting it upward in the present.
All true.
One thing the grinds my gears is the fact that "environmentalists" point to air pollution then blame CO2. Happens all the time. They see pictures of overwhelming smog in Chinese cities and in the next sentence they say we need to reduce CO2 emissions to fight this climate change. The worst part of this I don't even believe the people making these statements on climate change understand the distinction between Chinese cities filled with smog and climate change.
It's nuts.
They conflate unrelated issues with CO2 all the time to promote their socialists carbon tax scheme.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:09 am to LakeCharles
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:18 am to Muleriderhog
My personal favorite is their lack of ability to view historical data on global temperatures.
And by that I mean the last 500 million years, not just the last 250.
Those idiots haven’t seemed to grasp that the planet is in a cool period and warmer is not only going to happen we WANT it to.
And by that I mean the last 500 million years, not just the last 250.
Those idiots haven’t seemed to grasp that the planet is in a cool period and warmer is not only going to happen we WANT it to.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 11:29 am to Muleriderhog
Even if you accept the findings of AGW, you have to go down the road of evaluating what the cost and benefit of a drastic and expensive carbon tax program would be.
Most projections I have seen from the IPCC say that even if you get on board with their program, you will only mitigate at best 10-20% of the total temp increase - so like a half a degree with a 6 degree increase.
Most projections I have seen from the IPCC say that even if you get on board with their program, you will only mitigate at best 10-20% of the total temp increase - so like a half a degree with a 6 degree increase.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:14 pm to CivilTiger83
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so like a half a degree with a 6 degree increase.
But it's even less than 6 degrees. 6 degrees C is a linear relationship between CO2 concentration and temperature. That is how the IPCC incorrectly models it. From my link above it is a logarithmic relationship between CO2 concentration and temperature:
What the IPCC predicts with their models in red below and what is being observed and predicted in blue based on the logarithmic relationship between CO2 concentration and temperature:
This is a chart that is never published by agenda driven climate alarmists. It's raw NOAA U.S. temperature data and CO2 concentration measurements at the top of the volcano on the Big Island of Hawaii.
The raw data shows little to no correlation between temperature and CO2 concentration, especially at current extremely low concentration levels compared to the other atmospheric gases.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:17 pm to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
True or False, water vapor is a better driver to global temperatures than CO2.
True or False, CO2 is a very poor indicator of global temperatures.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:38 pm to BugAC
what are nitrogen effects on the global temperatures.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:41 pm to stuntman
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like to know when higher co2 levels have ever been bad for life overall on Earth.
Life has been able to thrive for billions of years on Earth with worse conditions than are present today. That is not the argument here.
The argument here is the rate of change.
This is systems thinking. Need to use terms like: Sources, reservoirs, and flux.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 12:44 pm to Pectus
Ok, the Earth is greening because of the increased co2. How is that a bad thing for life on Earth?
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