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re: Sooo what was the point of Jon’s birth?
Posted on 5/19/19 at 10:59 pm to TigerDocLSU
Posted on 5/19/19 at 10:59 pm to TigerDocLSU
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Are you sure the wall is ruled over by the north? Seems like a lot of people were sent to the wall from the south if I recall correctly.
When the North was part of the Seven Kingdoms, they sent criminals to the Wall all the time to serve out their sentences in the Night's Watch. The North is no longer part of the Seven Kingdoms. Why should Sansa honor this arrangement?
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 11:00 pm
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Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:06 pm to RollTide1987
Why would the wall belong to the north? Just because of geography? Part of the reason those who served on the wall had to make an oath and revoke their lineage was to be independent of the petty game of thrones to the south so they could independently protect without fealty getting in the way. I don’t know why that would change now.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:08 pm to TigerDocLSU
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Why would the wall belong to the north? Just because of geography? Part of the reason those who served on the wall had to make an oath and revoke their lineage was to be independent of the petty game of thrones to the south so they could independently protect without fealty getting in the way. I don’t know why that would change now.
Because the only reason why there was a Night's Watch was to protect the realm from the White Walkers and Wildlings. The White Walkers are all dead and the Wildings are now all living in peace south of the Wall. Having a Night's Watch is virtually pointless.
And with the North being its own separate kingdom now, there is absolutely nothing stopping Sansa from claiming the Wall as hers and pardoning her brother in the process.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:14 pm to RollTide1987
I think the point of the nights watch was to protect the southern kingdom(s) from any threats from beyond the wall (the unknown). Did they know that white walkers even existed before the first couple seasons?
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:17 pm to TigerDocLSU
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I think the point of the nights watch was to protect the southern kingdom(s) from any threats from beyond the wall (the unknown).
And those threats are now all dead because anything north of the Wall by the end of season seven was either a wight or a White Walker.
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Did they know that white walkers even existed before the first couple seasons?
The whole reason the Wall was ever built was to keep the White Walkers out. It was constructed by Bran the Builder in the aftermath of the first Long Night.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:18 pm to TigerDocLSU
quote:Well, technically it's the independent entity/border of the 7 Kingdoms, beyond which lie the territories of the Free Folk.
Are you sure the wall is ruled over by the north? Seems like a lot of people were sent to the wall from the south if I recall correctly. I thought it was an independent entity.
But seeing as it's the Northern border of the North, which is now independent, it's a seriously iffy question.
Does the North, which apparently is so resentful of the rest that they refuse to kneel even when one of their own sits on the throne, allow the 6 Kingdoms to maintain control of their Northern border?
And there's no further point to the Wall anyway. It's been breached, the Night King is gone, and the Free Folk are no longer considered enemies.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:23 pm to RollTide1987
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Yes, there it is. I'm one of the MCU's biggest critics on this board, but even I can see they gave the characters in Endgame fitting endings. Jon didn't have to be king for me to have been satisfied with his character arc. But the ending they gave him was completely stupid when you consider that Bran banished him to the Night's Watch. Newsflash, show writers, the Wall is no longer under Bran's jurisdiction as he literally just gave the North its independence. Why did they honor this banishment, especially after the Unsullied and Dothraki all left the continent on a ship just as Jon was about to leave King's Landing for Castle Black? His sister was made Queen of the North. She could have easily pardoned him as the Wall and the Night's Watch are technically hers now. His ending made absolutely no narrative sense after you think about what had just transpired at that impromptu election.
I thought the show made it fairly obvious he was leading the wildings he saved in hardhome back to the north. Like Tormund says he’s got the real north in him.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:28 pm to St Augustine
Why the frick would you choose to go back to that cold arse shite place if you don't have to?
It's not like they're Mexicans that Sansa said had to go.
I would hope that Jon slays mad Wildling pussy and spreads mongrel-Stark-Targs all over The North.
It's not like they're Mexicans that Sansa said had to go.
I would hope that Jon slays mad Wildling pussy and spreads mongrel-Stark-Targs all over The North.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:28 pm to RollTide1987
To give you the benefit of the doubt, let’s say everything you just wrote was true. After all the shite that went down with wildlings, white walkers, and wights, you think everyone would be cool with leaving the border unprotected? They’d all say, “cool. Job all done. Let’s leave that border wall open now.”
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:30 pm to TigerDocLSU
You mean the border wall with a giant fricking hole in it?
Who is gonna fix that? And how?
Who is gonna fix that? And how?
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:31 pm to navy
So... the answer is to ignore it? Not sure what point you are trying to make.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:32 pm to navy
Seems like if nothing else it would need even more protection. You know... because of the giant fricking hole.
This post was edited on 5/19/19 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 5/19/19 at 11:45 pm to TigerDocLSU
I think it’s pretty obvious about Jon’s arc. He never wanted anything he was chosen for, but did so in order to get the job done to protect against the white walkers. He was always a bastard so had to earn people’s trust in other ways. His birth right gave him legitimacy which most characters would have become power hungry, but he didn’t.
The ending was perfect. For the first time in his life, he was free. He was happy and didn’t have to deal with lineages and being a king, etc. The books will be able to dive deeper in to this.
The ending was perfect. For the first time in his life, he was free. He was happy and didn’t have to deal with lineages and being a king, etc. The books will be able to dive deeper in to this.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:03 am to tiggerthetooth
He did get everyone together to fight the NK.
He is why Arya rose north to Winterfell.
People act like he did Nothing to stop the NK when he lead the joint effort of humanity.
He is why Arya rose north to Winterfell.
People act like he did Nothing to stop the NK when he lead the joint effort of humanity.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:08 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
So he can stay Daenerys. Targaryen are attracted to Targaryen.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:10 am to RollTide1987
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When the North was part of the Seven Kingdoms, they sent criminals to the Wall all the time to serve out their sentences in the Night's Watch. The North is no longer part of the Seven Kingdoms. Why should Sansa honor this arrangement?
The wall and the Nights Watch are both older than the Iron Throne. It predates the unification of the seven kingdoms by quite eons.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:12 am to navy
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Why the frick would you choose to go back to that cold arse shite place if you don't have to? It's not like they're Mexicans that Sansa said had to go.
I don't know, but Tormund made it pretty clear that it's where they wanted to go.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:13 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
The only thing he did of any importance was killing Dany. Anyone could have done that though 
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:17 am to PowerTool
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Sooo what was the point of Jon’s birth?
to prove tNK is truly a Targ when he and the Wildlings become the new Army of the Dead
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:27 am to rt3
jon's path:
nights watch
lord commander
killed
arisen
king of the north
prisoner
nights watch- lord commander
what the frick was the point? so dumb
nights watch
lord commander
killed
arisen
king of the north
prisoner
nights watch- lord commander
what the frick was the point? so dumb
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