re: UPDATE: At least 290 people are dead in terrorist attacks in Sri Lanka this morning...

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yes, i agree.... and like i've said, at least 2 times now, it's atrocious and needs to be stopped, by Islam itself...

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And that's what everyone (for the most part) is saying. You just find the need to throw in "But Crusades", again because you're trying not to be Islamaphobic.

Most everyone can agree that Christianity had periods of atrocities. But this thread is about the current state of Islam, and bringing up Christianity's past is nothing but a "but they did it too!" argument to somehow justify it.

I'm not even religious, but you have to have your head deep deep in the sand not to see which current religion is most dangerous.

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But, in the end, it is irrelevant to the conversation.

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we must be having a different conversation then, bc that's ALL i was getting at, originally....

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If we hold to that standard, no one can ever criticize anyone or any group because another group at some point in time did the same thing.

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when you look at the objective moral law of killing, then yeah, no one religion, over time, has the high road... nor does "non-religious"...

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unless the groups that are critical are STILL performing those actions and are not critical of them now.

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there are still mosques and temples being shot up around the globe today... not near the scale as Islamic extremist violence, i agree, but just look at some of the "Christians" in this thread alone and their comments... think there aren't some of them that applaud Muslims being slaughtered by non-Muslims?

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I'm not even religious, but you have to have your head deep deep in the sand not to see which current religion is most dangerous.

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i'm not either, at least not anymore, but no i totally see that Islamic EXTREMIST are to blame for the majority of what's taking place... it's the perverse following of the religion that is the problem, not the actual religion itself...

i don't take right wing fundamentalist to be the face of Christianity.... that's one extreme following of the religion...

i'm just trying to say that at the end of the day, they have all been dangerous at one point... right now, it's Islam's turn at the bat, and they are doing a bang up job of it, to be honest...

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right now, it's Islam's turn at the bat, and they are doing a bang up job of it, to be honest...

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Their turn at bat? They haven’t left the batters box since they came on the scene 1400 years ago.

The crusades are irrelevant to anything happening now, unless you are saying that Muslims are murderous directly because of the crusades.

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you didn't outright..

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I didn’t, at all. I didn’t downplay the crusades or anything. But way to crawfish right out of the fricking hate.

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but you were facetiously downplaying the whole Crusades,

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Why the frick are you lying dude?

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and even now, you are saying that because they happened so long ago, it's not as bad as what's currently going on in Islam... i'm saying they are both bad, regardless of timeframe...

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Because it isn’t as bad. It happened hundreds of years ago. The morals of the day and standard order of life were different. By TODAYS standard, it’s just as bad. But it didn’t happen today. Therefore using today’s standard is ASININE.

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what happened then, i'm sure had we been alive then, would have been viewed just as bad, as what we are seeing in extremists factions of Islam today... it's just the other team ALWAYS seems worse, i understand...

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You’re so arse backwards it’s hilarious. No, if we were alive at the time of the crusades we wound not see them as bad. We would see them as wonderful. Because that was the accepted moral process at that time.

If you were alive during the crusades, you would have fought if able, or supported if unable to fight.

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neither are better or worse than the other... both, are objectively wrong and bad... is that much not agreeable to you? seriously?

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By today’s moral standard, absolutely. However, you cannot judge history by today’s moral standard. You’re absolutely retarded if you try.

That isn’t excusing or downplaying what happened. That’s called realizing that today is different than the past.

Slavery is wrong. I don’t blame or try to hold slave owners in the past to today’s standards. However, I will absolutely hold modern day slave holders accountable.

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Yes, but we weren’t alive then.

That is the crux of the issue.

What you experience directly is far worse than what you read about.

It is far more impactful, which is why what is currently happening is worse, based on society’s current impact, than what happened hundred’s of years ago.

If the crusades were happening right now, they would be as bad as everything going on right now, but they aren’t and they are not currently as impactful.

It is the same reason Scruffy doesn’t view the Mongol invasions or Alexander the Great’s campaigns as terrible as any current equivalent event...because they do not impact our current world at this time...because they happened hundreds of years ago.

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and all i'm trying to say, really, that regardless of if were were alive then, they happened... that's not an opinion, that's a fact... just like the Mongol invasions, and Alexander the Great, the Crusades and Inquisitions, that shite happened...

and it's not any worse than what is current, because at the end of the day, then just as now, believers, true believers of any religion know that murder is bad... period... doesn't matter when, or how, or how many, or reasons, etc... the tenet of beliefs of ANY religion is pretty clear on non-retaliatory killing...

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they happened... that's not an opinion, that's a fact... just like the Mongol invasions, and Alexander the Great, the Crusades and Inquisitions, that shite happened...

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Well, people tell us they happened. Other than that we don’t really have proof.

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 I'm not going to point any fingers, but I'm almost 100% certain the perpetrators were not Jews or Hindus

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Those damn Jehovah witnesses.